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Re: Faith in the News

Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:43 am

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I don't know much about Orthodox eschatology. This sounds more like evangelical dispensational stuff al la Left Behind. I'm surprised.
It is really odd. I have only ever seen amillennialism taught in conjunction with the Orthodoxy expressions.
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After 24 Years, Scholar Completes 3,000-Page Translation Of The Hebrew Bible
He also changed the wording in Psalm 23 — "thou anointest my head with oil," is what you'll find in the King James translation. "But the Hebrew verb does not mean 'to anoint,' " Alter says. "The word that's actually used by the psalmist means 'to make luxuriant' — something like that. It's a very physical word. So after wrestling with other alternatives ... I ended up saying 'you moisten my head with oil.' "

Alter also tried to imitate the rhythm of the original — which was a challenge because Hebrew is a much more compact language than English.

"Words squeeze together," Alter says. For example, in English it takes three words to say "he saw him." But in Hebrew it takes just one. "You know it's 'he' in the way the verb is conjugated, and then there's a little suffix at the end of the verb that tells you it's 'him.' "
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:55 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:53 pm
After 24 Years, Scholar Completes 3,000-Page Translation Of The Hebrew Bible
He also changed the wording in Psalm 23 — "thou anointest my head with oil," is what you'll find in the King James translation. "But the Hebrew verb does not mean 'to anoint,' " Alter says. "The word that's actually used by the psalmist means 'to make luxuriant' — something like that. It's a very physical word. So after wrestling with other alternatives ... I ended up saying 'you moisten my head with oil.' "

Alter also tried to imitate the rhythm of the original — which was a challenge because Hebrew is a much more compact language than English.

"Words squeeze together," Alter says. For example, in English it takes three words to say "he saw him." But in Hebrew it takes just one. "You know it's 'he' in the way the verb is conjugated, and then there's a little suffix at the end of the verb that tells you it's 'him.' "
Heh. A Jew took out all the "Christological elements" out of the Old Testament.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by UncleBob » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:22 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:55 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:53 pm
After 24 Years, Scholar Completes 3,000-Page Translation Of The Hebrew Bible
He also changed the wording in Psalm 23 — "thou anointest my head with oil," is what you'll find in the King James translation. "But the Hebrew verb does not mean 'to anoint,' " Alter says. "The word that's actually used by the psalmist means 'to make luxuriant' — something like that. It's a very physical word. So after wrestling with other alternatives ... I ended up saying 'you moisten my head with oil.' "

Alter also tried to imitate the rhythm of the original — which was a challenge because Hebrew is a much more compact language than English.

"Words squeeze together," Alter says. For example, in English it takes three words to say "he saw him." But in Hebrew it takes just one. "You know it's 'he' in the way the verb is conjugated, and then there's a little suffix at the end of the verb that tells you it's 'him.' "
Heh. A Jew took out all the "Christological elements" out of the Old Testament.
I think he may argue that they were added in later. I don't know if he is Jewish but he is a big name in Religious Studies and he approaches the text from a "non-confessional" approach (which means not from a believer's standpoint). He is known for using literary criticism techniques to analyze the Hebrew Bible.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:56 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:22 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:55 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:53 pm
After 24 Years, Scholar Completes 3,000-Page Translation Of The Hebrew Bible
He also changed the wording in Psalm 23 — "thou anointest my head with oil," is what you'll find in the King James translation. "But the Hebrew verb does not mean 'to anoint,' " Alter says. "The word that's actually used by the psalmist means 'to make luxuriant' — something like that. It's a very physical word. So after wrestling with other alternatives ... I ended up saying 'you moisten my head with oil.' "

Alter also tried to imitate the rhythm of the original — which was a challenge because Hebrew is a much more compact language than English.

"Words squeeze together," Alter says. For example, in English it takes three words to say "he saw him." But in Hebrew it takes just one. "You know it's 'he' in the way the verb is conjugated, and then there's a little suffix at the end of the verb that tells you it's 'him.' "
Heh. A Jew took out all the "Christological elements" out of the Old Testament.
I think he may argue that they were added in later. I don't know if he is Jewish but he is a big name in Religious Studies and he approaches the text from a "non-confessional" approach (which means not from a believer's standpoint). He is known for using literary criticism techniques to analyze the Hebrew Bible.
Yes, seems a rather solid scholar. He is Jewish, though. I'm not saying anything for or against the man, he's a heck of a scholar. But it's always good to know the background as we all bear the biases of our upbringings.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Sir Moose » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:20 am

I wasn't sure if I wanted to put this here, in 'Cool in the News,' or as an addendum to the Greatest Thinker threads. I decided to go with this one since it's what first drew my attention to this story.

A fairly young man named Chris Harrison put a pretty amazing graphic on his website, (specifically on this page) that depicts all of the cross-references in the Bible. It is an incredible display of the interconnectedness of the Biblical text. Here's the "small" version of the graphic that first caught my attention:

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The website also has a Medium Resolution version (2000x1200, 1.4MB) and a High Resolution version (12000x7200, 109MB). (Don't bother if you have a slow internet connection or you're on your phone.)

After being amazed by that, I looked around his website a bit. The guy is apparently brilliant. His "fun projects" are incredible, but his published research...WOW!
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Re: Faith in the News

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Sir Moose wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:20 am
I wasn't sure if I wanted to put this here, in 'Cool in the News,' or as an addendum to the Greatest Thinker threads. I decided to go with this one since it's what first drew my attention to this story.

A fairly young man named Chris Harrison put a pretty amazing graphic on his website, (specifically on this page) that depicts all of the cross-references in the Bible. It is an incredible display of the interconnectedness of the Biblical text. Here's the "small" version of the graphic that first caught my attention:

Image

The website also has a Medium Resolution version (2000x1200, 1.4MB) and a High Resolution version (12000x7200, 109MB). (Don't bother if you have a slow internet connection or you're on your phone.)

After being amazed by that, I looked around his website a bit. The guy is apparently brilliant. His "fun projects" are incredible, but his published research...WOW!
Only just finding this, Moose.
Stunning!

I am particularly moved by the “Alpha and Omega” sense of awe created by the outermost arc that contains, literally and figuratively, “it all.”
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Re: Faith in the News

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. . . be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you. Ephesians 4:32 (NKJV)

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by FredS » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:09 am

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:18 am

FredS wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:09 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
I met a Baptist once who told me his brother and family were missionaries
































IN ITALY!
:facepalm:

Nice work, if you can get it!
I imagine the living conditions are a little better than in PNG.

Still, for a Baptist, there are all those “heathen” Catholics needing to be saved.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Cleon » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:20 am

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
IMO, the exterior architecture looks ethereal. Almost cloud like from a distance.

The interior, on the other hand, looks like a cross between a 1970s Florida hotel and a hospital chapel.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:28 am

Cleon wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:20 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
IMO, the exterior architecture looks ethereal. Almost cloud like from a distance.

The interior, on the other hand, looks like a cross between a 1970s Florida hotel and a hospital chapel.
American standard LDS architectural style.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by hugodrax » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:31 am

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:18 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:09 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
I met a Baptist once who told me his brother and family were missionaries
































IN ITALY!
:facepalm:

Nice work, if you can get it!
I imagine the living conditions are a little better than in PNG.

Still, for a Baptist, there are all those “heathen” Catholics needing to be saved.
I prefer Mormons, if I have to choose. Their story is so much more believable than the Baptists.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Cleon » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:32 am

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:31 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:18 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:09 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
I met a Baptist once who told me his brother and family were missionaries
































IN ITALY!
:facepalm:

Nice work, if you can get it!
I imagine the living conditions are a little better than in PNG.

Still, for a Baptist, there are all those “heathen” Catholics needing to be saved.
I prefer Mormons, if I have to choose. Their story is so much more believable than the Baptists.
When they say they don't drink, they really mean it.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by hugodrax » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:58 am

Cleon wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:32 am
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:31 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:18 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:09 am
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:44 am
Then there’s this ...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/europe/m ... intl-scli/
I met a Baptist once who told me his brother and family were missionaries
































IN ITALY!
:facepalm:

Nice work, if you can get it!
I imagine the living conditions are a little better than in PNG.

Still, for a Baptist, there are all those “heathen” Catholics needing to be saved.
I prefer Mormons, if I have to choose. Their story is so much more believable than the Baptists.
When they say they don't drink, they really mean it.
Yeah. More intellectually honest, too. It's easier to believe the Mormon's magically found some Egyptian stuff, frankly, than picking one of the 432 varieties of American Baptist on the market today.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by UncleBob » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:31 pm

The rise of the star-studded, Instagram-friendly evangelical church
This tonal shift within evangelicalism away from the dour restrictions associated with religion and toward the freedom and dynamism of a relationship has been ushered in by this new breed of Instagram-friendly, celebrity-surrounded pastors. But with the spread of Hillsong in America — it now has campuses in New York, New Jersey, Boston, Connecticut, Los Angeles, Orange Country, and San Francisco — we’re starting to see more and more figures like Lentz in paparazzi photos or Instagram posts with celebrities like Bieber. Some of these pastors are themselves the focus of buzz and reality TV, such as Wilkerson’s short-lived Oxygen series Rich in Faith.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by tuttle » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:51 am

This has been popping up on a few christian sites over the last few days but seems to just now be catching the attention of the major news outlets (I'd link to the NY Times article, and I'd like to read it at some point...but paywall).

Hong Kong protesters embrace unexpected Christian anthem: ‘Sing Hallelujah to the Lord’

There's a Christian undercurrent running about the Hong Kong protests. This song has taken off, in English even.

More: The Christian Backstory of Hong Kong’s Pro-Democracy Protests
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‘Someone’s Gotta Tell the Freakin’ Truth’: Jerry Falwell’s Aides Break Their Silence [In-Depth]
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More than two dozen current and former Liberty University officials describe a culture of fear and self-dealing at the largest Christian college in the world.

At Liberty University, all anyone can talk about is Jerry Falwell Jr. Just not in public.

“When he does stupid stuff, people will mention it to others they consider confidants and not keep it totally secret,” a trusted adviser to Falwell, the school’s president and chancellor, told me. “But they won’t rat him out.”

That’s beginning to change.

[…]

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Why even atheists find this Manhattan church attractive
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Rutgers Presbyterian Church in Manhattan's Upper West Side Neighbourhood. | Screenshot: Google

Why even atheists find this Manhattan church attractive

At the centuries old, progressive Rutgers Presbyterian Church on Manhattan’s Upper West Side, an evolving culture of faith that includes an active pursuit of social justice is drawing atheists among its flock.

“It’s something I never thought would happen,” Valerie Oltarsh-McCarthy, an atheist who sat among the congregation listening to a Sunday sermon on the dangers of genetically modified vegetables told The New York Times.

Despite her personal position on God, McCarthy told the Times she was attracted by “something in the spirit of Rutgers and something in the spirit of the outside world” that caught others like Katharine Butler off-guard too.

She visited the church one day after responding to an advertisement about their environmental activism. She got so involved in that aspect of the church’s work she soon found herself involved in the more traditional parts of the faith community.

“I can’t believe I’m doing this, singing away and all the Jesus-y stuff,” she said. “It was wonderful to find a place larger than me, that’s involved in that and in the community and being of service. It’s nice to find a real community like that.”

[…]

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by ChildOfGod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:10 pm

Cool find Wos. Thanks. If there was a "like" button I would have hit it. Allow this short note to suffice.

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