I'm sort of unfairly piggybacking off of your thoughts, but I'm doing so because it made me realize that the word "Support" might carry various meanings for different folks. If by 'support' one simply means can Christians merely tolerate a secular society allowing it, that's one thing. I can agree to that. But others, me for instance, have been viewing 'support' as something more close to the definition of the word: Bearing weight/upholding and giving assistance to something.Thunktank wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:15 pmFredS wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:42 amCivilly:
We (Christians) have no desire to live under Muslim law. We believe their religion is wrong. Most gay people have no desire to live under Christian law. They believe our religion is wrong. They want the equal right to marry - with the attendent benefits our government ties to the contract - and don't give a flip about what religions have to say on the issue.
We (Christians) have a mandate from God to spread the faith and make disciples. This is where my inner conflict lies. There is great tension between loving my neighbor and sharing the gospel that would pull the rug out from under their entire worldview. Believe it or not, I err on the side of love. In this, I take cues from the Desert Fathers. They erred on love over fasting, or possessions, or personal or communal safety, or anything else. They certainly understood the commandment to not steal, yet they'd let a stranger rob them of every cent without raising a finger to stop them or report them. Their love of the thief was greater than their desire to 'correct' them. Those stories often end with the thief or stranger being so convicted (by the Spirit one assumes, not by the monk) that they repent and turn towards God.
This is the basis I use too when I approach these matters practically. I loosely embrace liberal principles when dealing with political and social issues, yet those principles very often stand in contrast to the perfection Christians are called to. Often, we need to deal with the world pragmatically when we excersize our temporal powers like voting. Yet, as a Christian we are called to perfection, to “come out from them” (II Corinthians 6:17). It’s a very fine line to walk at times when we choose to act in civil discourse, which I might add is optional for some.
Christians may have different options in dealing with such matters in the civil orders. Prayerfully approaching the voting booth while using our Christian formed intuition and reason we may vote and discuss moral matters in the world as a “light on the hill” and “salt of the world.”
However, there are some things we can know. Christians do do things wrongly sometimes, other things, just like the rest of the world, we must come to know better through learning and experience. We don’t know everything and we can learn new things using different forms of revelation about the truth of creation, math and science are two wonderful tools mankind developed to help with this. On the other hand, God also gave us a firm foundation in some revelation. Some of that revelation is not based in human understanding too, but the rules of human sexuality aren’t one of those. Human reason can support the commands from God about sexual activity. We can know them, believe them with assurance and act on them with that assurance. Our actions however, even though based in right faith and reason about the matter, may be a mistaken choice with consequences. This is especially true when we try to act with evangelical fervor and political action. In this way, I believe it is conceivable for Christians to “support” certain actions we wouldn’t do ourselves. But the principalities of this world can never force me to believe that homosexual marriage is what marriage is meant to be.
When framed that way it goes beyond whether we're asking if it's okay for Christians to recognize a legal reality.