Reformation Day!

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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by hugodrax » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:08 am

Jocose wrote:Was the reformation necessary?


There is a funny story about a Protestant who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy. He runs up to an Orthodox priest and says: “I’m a Protestant, what must I do to become Orthodox?” The priest answered: “You must give up your Roman Catholicism!” The point here is that many of the problems in Protestant doctrine and worship reflect its origins in Roman Catholicism. It also reflects the fact that Western Christianity has broken from its patristic roots in the early Church. Another way of putting it is that Protestants are innocent victims of Rome’s errors and innovations.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Cleon » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:56 am

We're celebrating Reformation Day next Sunday with a few area churches. After worship and administration of the sacrament of communion we will head to the fellowship hall and have a party. I'm in charge of the bratwurst.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Jocose » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:44 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Jocose wrote:Was the reformation necessary?


There is a funny story about a Protestant who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy. He runs up to an Orthodox priest and says: “I’m a Protestant, what must I do to become Orthodox?” The priest answered: “You must give up your Roman Catholicism!” The point here is that many of the problems in Protestant doctrine and worship reflect its origins in Roman Catholicism. It also reflects the fact that Western Christianity has broken from its patristic roots in the early Church. Another way of putting it is that Protestants are innocent victims of Rome’s errors and innovations.
When will you people accept responsibility for your own actions?
You people?
I am just a lowly, lower than dirt catechumen.
But when Rome started changing stuff like the Filioque and then adding stuff like papal supremacy, purgatory, indulgences, priests can not get married, Communion by bread alone and other weird stuff and not known prior what did they think was going to happen?
I'm not being nasty BTW, which I'm sure you already know.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by hugodrax » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:21 pm

Jocose wrote:
hugodrax wrote:
Jocose wrote:Was the reformation necessary?


There is a funny story about a Protestant who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy. He runs up to an Orthodox priest and says: “I’m a Protestant, what must I do to become Orthodox?” The priest answered: “You must give up your Roman Catholicism!” The point here is that many of the problems in Protestant doctrine and worship reflect its origins in Roman Catholicism. It also reflects the fact that Western Christianity has broken from its patristic roots in the early Church. Another way of putting it is that Protestants are innocent victims of Rome’s errors and innovations.
When will you people accept responsibility for your own actions?
You people?
I am just a lowly, lower than dirt catechumen.
But when Rome started changing stuff like the Filioque and then adding stuff like papal supremacy, purgatory, indulgences, priests can not get married, Communion by bread alone and other weird stuff and not known prior what did they think was going to happen?
I'm not being nasty BTW, which I'm sure you already know.
Happy Halloween!
No, you're not, and I get that. I just get a kick out of the argument. It doesn't bear a lot of scrutiny, but is a convenient out for all involved. You see, in my mind, the whole thing is just a power struggle. IT suits the Orthodox to say "don't look at us, it wouldn't have happened if we were in charge", because of course theyre not. It's also effective with protestants converting to Orthodoxy, because their raison d'etre is based on a rejection of Rome.

But if Protestants are a logical outcropping of Roman principles, why wasn't the original schism a reaction to Orthodox principles.

I'm praying for the day when we all set aside the power issues to talk about the doctrinal issues.
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Re: Reformation Day!

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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Del » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:38 pm

Jocose wrote:Was the reformation necessary?


There is a funny story about a Protestant who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy. He runs up to an Orthodox priest and says: “I’m a Protestant, what must I do to become Orthodox?” The priest answered: “You must give up your Roman Catholicism!” The point here is that many of the problems in Protestant doctrine and worship reflect its origins in Roman Catholicism. It also reflects the fact that Western Christianity has broken from its patristic roots in the early Church. Another way of putting it is that Protestants are innocent victims of Rome’s errors and innovations.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by coco » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:09 pm

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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Jocose » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:23 pm

coco wrote:Image
Getting closer! Where's the OG pic?
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by JudgeRusty » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:24 pm

coco wrote:Image
:pie: :thumbsup:
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Re: Reformation Day!

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Jocose wrote:
coco wrote:Image
Getting closer! Where's the OG pic?
Nice
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Jocose » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:53 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Jocose wrote:
coco wrote:Image
Getting closer! Where's the OG pic?
Nice
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Re: Reformation Day!

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Jocose wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
Jocose wrote:
coco wrote:Image
Getting closer! Where's the OG pic?
Nice
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Thanks for finding that, Jo.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Cleon » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:55 am

ReverendThom wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9BR55nA2U[/youtube]
This is hilarious. I'm forwarding to my pastor.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Cliff » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:34 am

Here is an excerpt from DW tvnews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V00oY3tJXME

Enjoy the salute to Luther and Reformation Day.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by tuttle » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:05 am

Cleon wrote:
ReverendThom wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9BR55nA2U[/youtube]
This is hilarious. I'm forwarding to my pastor.
Yeah that was great.

"Oh hello John Calvin Luther here wants to join my Reformation but he still wants to be a little half-way papist sissy baby" :lol: :lol:
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by tuttle » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:17 am

Reformation Day is next Tuesday, but Reformation Sunday is upcoming! I have the privilege to plan the music.

We'll be singing two Luther psalms, Psalm 100 to a Genevan tune, and highlighting Solus Christus by way of "In Christ Alone".
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Del » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:40 am

tuttle wrote:
Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:05 am
Cleon wrote:
ReverendThom wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9BR55nA2U[/youtube]
This is hilarious. I'm forwarding to my pastor.
Yeah that was great.

"Oh hello John Calvin Luther here wants to join my Reformation but he still wants to be a little half-way papist sissy baby" :lol: :lol:
I forgot how awesome this video was.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by coco » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:43 am

Martin Luther wrote:You should not believe your conscience and your feelings more than the word which your Lord who receives sinners preaches to you.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by Del » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:20 am

Jocose wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:44 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Jocose wrote:Was the reformation necessary?


There is a funny story about a Protestant who wanted to convert to Orthodoxy. He runs up to an Orthodox priest and says: “I’m a Protestant, what must I do to become Orthodox?” The priest answered: “You must give up your Roman Catholicism!” The point here is that many of the problems in Protestant doctrine and worship reflect its origins in Roman Catholicism. It also reflects the fact that Western Christianity has broken from its patristic roots in the early Church. Another way of putting it is that Protestants are innocent victims of Rome’s errors and innovations.
When will you people accept responsibility for your own actions?
You people?
I am just a lowly, lower than dirt catechumen.
But when Rome started changing stuff like the Filioque and then adding stuff like papal supremacy, purgatory, indulgences, priests can not get married, Communion by bread alone and other weird stuff and not known prior what did they think was going to happen?
I'm not being nasty BTW, which I'm sure you already know.
Happy Halloween!
Point of order (even if it is a year late): The Orthodox still hold to the biblical standard that priests cannot get married.
- If a man is unmarried when he is ordained a priest, then he remains celibate.
- Likewise, if a married man is ordained a priest and his wife leaves him or dies, he does not marry another.

In Apostolic times, it was expected that a priest should live continence and abstain from sexual relations -- even if he was married. Of course, this resulted in some scandals as children were conceived.
- In the West, we resolved this by holding to the Apostolic rule for continence -- and choosing unmarried men to be priests.
- In the East, you changed the Apostolic practice -- and instituted a priestly fast from sexual relations for a short time before the celebration of the Divine Liturgy. Meanwhile, you still choose bishops for yourselves only from the unmarried priests.

The West does not object to the these disciplines as lived in the East. But it was the East who changed the Apostolic discipline of continence.

The important thing to note is that we can change the disciplines of our practice, while holding to the ancient and unchangeable truths of our faith.
- Leavened or unleavened bread?
- Receiving the Eucharist as Bread alone, or both Bread & Wine?
- Venerating of icons? Statues of Saints?

These various expressions of common faith should not be obstacles to our unity.
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Re: Reformation Day!

Post by tuttle » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:28 pm

Del wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:20 am
...the biblical standard that priests cannot get married.
False.

The biblical standard is that priests cannot get married to more than one wife.

(SOURCE!)
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