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Re: Secularism/Modernity

Post by elimtaft » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:51 pm

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Re: Secularism/Modernity

Post by StoicDetective » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:56 pm

I think I am on line of this possibly be a Hijack, now. Mods & Admins, if this need to be moved so be it.
elimtaft wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:12 pm
StoicDetective wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:25 am

1) can the 'faith' of an individual christian be separated from the church (institution/administration meaning, not 'body of believers')?
i.e. It could be defined that CPS is a loose knit body of believers, but not a church in the institutional form. If an outsider/non-believer were to peal back the layers what would they find and would it positively influence a positive decision toward the Christian faith?
CPS is not a church. Is that what you're asking? It's also not THE church. But its members are members of THE church. Some of us have different views about what THE church is. I'd say its the body of Christ, comprised of "as many as received Him", to whome "He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" (John 1:12).
You got where I was/am going with the above. The lexicon of the word church can be very ambiguous, both internal and external to the body of believers. As you have demonstrated above. i.e. "What church do you attend?" "The church of Jesus" just wouldn't work for answer. However if one was to answer, "The Hinn Koresh Westboro Baptist Campus." A whole can of worms gets opened. (Yes I am using extremes) <- read church here as institutional.

Internal to the faith; what and how have we drifted (if at all) from the early church (Pauline era, pre-Nicene Council) to the current state of the church. <- read church here as body of believers, not institutional.

Trying to tie this back to the original post: I think in our current use of the word 'church' we have to be able to delineate between 'church' the institution and 'church' the body of believers, when conversing with those of our faith and outside of the faith. i.e. If I attended a church that married homosexual couples and a non-believer points that out. I have to be able to explain the the difference between the 'churches' and my faith.
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Re: Secularism/Modernity

Post by UncleBob » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:07 pm

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Re: Secularism/Modernity

Post by Jocose » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:38 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:07 pm
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