Pope Francis and the devil

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Pope Francis and the devil

Post by Hovannes » Wed May 01, 2013 7:39 am

I caught this insightful piece on Fr Z's blog on how Pope Francis views satan through the writings of Ignatius of Loyola

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkDj-F3l ... r_embedded#!
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Post by maskaggs » Thu May 02, 2013 10:21 pm

I, for one, am supremely satisfied to see Francis taking on the devil without dancing around the issue. None of this "well the devil is really just our unwillingness to please God" business.

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Post by wosbald » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:07 am

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Don't argue with the Devil - he's much more intelligent than us, says Pope Francis
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A boy poses for a portrait in his devil costume at a procession symbolizing the fight between good and evil that celebrates the Virgin of the Immaculate Conception in Ciudad Vieja, Guatemala CREDIT: LUIS SOTO/AP

The Devil is more intelligent than mere mortals and should never be argued with, Pope Francis has warned.

Satan is not a metaphor or a nebulous concept but a real person armed with dark powers, the Pope said in forthright remarks made during a television interview.

“He is evil, he’s not like mist. He’s not a diffuse thing, he is a person. I’m convinced that one must never converse with Satan - if you do that, you’ll be lost,” he told TV2000, a Catholic channel, gesticulating with his hands to emphasise his point.

“He always pretends to be polite - he does it with priests, with bishops. That’s how he enters your mind. But it ends badly if you don’t realise what is happening in time. (We should tell him) go away!” he said.

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Post by 7formy1911 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:20 am

Very insightful! Armed with a rosary and the St. Michael prayer we have weapons to resist temptation so that the light of Christ scatters the darkness around and in us. It seems that the world is dimming around us but there is always hope.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYOOa087YZE
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Post by rgcurrey » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:23 am

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Post by rgcurrey » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:25 am

Unless you are Homer Simpson . . .
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Post by wosbald » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:50 pm

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Devil destroys overtly or slyly by pretending to be a friend, pope says
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In this file photo, Pope Francis gives the homily as he celebrates morning Mass in the chapel of his residence, the Domus Sanctae Marthae, at the Vatican. (Credit: CNS photo/Vatican Media)

ROME — The devil is more dangerous when he is polite and friendly, persuading people to be “lukewarm” and worldly, than when he shows his true face and blatantly pushes people to sin, Pope Francis said.

The vocation or “nature of the devil is to destroy” what God has created, the pope said Oct. 12 in his homily during morning Mass in the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

“We Christians, Catholics, we go to Mass, pray,” admit to having some flaws and recognize a few “little sins, but all seems to be in order,” the pope said.

That is when the devil puts on a friendly face, “he goes and looks for a nice-looking clique, knocks on the door, ‘Hello? May I come in?’ He rings the doorbell,” Francis said, reflecting on the day’s Gospel reading (Lk 11:15-26). The passage talks about an unclean spirit that is cast from his “home” and then “brings back seven other spirits more wicked than itself” to move back in and make the person’s situation worse than before.

“These well-mannered demons are worse than the first because you don’t realize that you have them there at home,” inside oneself, he said.

These demons, “don’t make noise, they make friends, they persuade you,” convincing people that it is OK to become mediocre, “lukewarm” and worldly.

“So often I ask myself, which is worse in a person’s life,” the devil trapping people into obvious sin, which leads them to feel ashamed, or a well-mannered devil who “is at your table, lives with you and all seems normal, but he makes insinuations and possesses you with the worldly spirit?” he asked.

Therefore, the pope said, people need to be calmly vigilant against falling into “spiritual mediocrity,” which “corrupts us from within.”

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Re: Pope Francis and the devil

Post by Nature of a Man » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:26 am

I believe the concept of the Devil is more profound than merely a pop cultural cliche of a "red guy with a pitchfork", and therefore describing the Devil as a "person" might trivialize the concept. At least as much as a "Marvin the Martian" cartoon trivializes the concepts of possibilities of alien life in the universe, or life forms to be discovered on Mars.

I suppose the Devil can be illustrated or manifest in the form of a person, but that the total concept of the Devil is more or less as transcendent as the concept of God, and not something a person could (or should) hope to perfectly define. I have some theories about how to describe or illustrate the Devil, but I'd rather not share them here...

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Post by hugodrax » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:49 am

Nature of a Man wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:26 am
I believe the concept of the Devil is more profound than merely a pop cultural cliche of a "red guy with a pitchfork", and therefore describing the Devil as a "person" might trivialize the concept. At least as much as a "Marvin the Martian" cartoon trivializes the concepts of possibilities of alien life in the universe, or life forms to be discovered on Mars.

I suppose the Devil can be illustrated or manifest in the form of a person, but that the total concept of the Devil is more or less as transcendent as the concept of God, and not something a person could (or should) hope to perfectly define. I have some theories about how to describe or illustrate the Devil, but I'd rather not share them here...
Why not? If not here, where?
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Re: Pope Francis and the devil

Post by FredS » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:05 am

hugodrax wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:49 am
Nature of a Man wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:26 am
I believe the concept of the Devil is more profound than merely a pop cultural cliche of a "red guy with a pitchfork", and therefore describing the Devil as a "person" might trivialize the concept. At least as much as a "Marvin the Martian" cartoon trivializes the concepts of possibilities of alien life in the universe, or life forms to be discovered on Mars.

I suppose the Devil can be illustrated or manifest in the form of a person, but that the total concept of the Devil is more or less as transcendent as the concept of God, and not something a person could (or should) hope to perfectly define. I have some theories about how to describe or illustrate the Devil, but I'd rather not share them here...
Why not? If not here, where?
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Re: Pope Francis and the devil

Post by Nature of a Man » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:02 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:49 am
Nature of a Man wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:26 am
I believe the concept of the Devil is more profound than merely a pop cultural cliche of a "red guy with a pitchfork", and therefore describing the Devil as a "person" might trivialize the concept. At least as much as a "Marvin the Martian" cartoon trivializes the concepts of possibilities of alien life in the universe, or life forms to be discovered on Mars.

I suppose the Devil can be illustrated or manifest in the form of a person, but that the total concept of the Devil is more or less as transcendent as the concept of God, and not something a person could (or should) hope to perfectly define. I have some theories about how to describe or illustrate the Devil, but I'd rather not share them here...
Why not? If not here, where?
Somewhere else...

As far as the point goes, I'm just worried that describing the Devil as a merely a person might not be convincing to a lot of people (at least ones wanting a more analytical understanding of the concepts) - given how much it's been trivialized by popular culture.

Out of curiosity, what is your take on how the Devil was described throughout the Bible as a whole?

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Re: Pope Francis and the devil

Post by hugodrax » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:16 pm

Nature of a Man wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:02 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:49 am
Nature of a Man wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:26 am
I believe the concept of the Devil is more profound than merely a pop cultural cliche of a "red guy with a pitchfork", and therefore describing the Devil as a "person" might trivialize the concept. At least as much as a "Marvin the Martian" cartoon trivializes the concepts of possibilities of alien life in the universe, or life forms to be discovered on Mars.

I suppose the Devil can be illustrated or manifest in the form of a person, but that the total concept of the Devil is more or less as transcendent as the concept of God, and not something a person could (or should) hope to perfectly define. I have some theories about how to describe or illustrate the Devil, but I'd rather not share them here...
Why not? If not here, where?
Somewhere else...

As far as the point goes, I'm just worried that describing the Devil as a merely a person might not be convincing to a lot of people (at least ones wanting a more analytical understanding of the concepts) - given how much it's been trivialized by popular culture.

Out of curiosity, what is your take on how the Devil was described throughout the Bible as a whole?
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