A Coming Persecution

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Re: A Coming Persecution

Post by Del » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:02 am

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LatAm debunks persistent myth about anti-Christian persecution [News Analysis]
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Friends and family carry the coffin with the body of Jose Esteban Sevilla Medina, who died after he was shot in the chest at a barricade during an attack by the police and paramilitary forces, in Masaya, Nicaragua, Monday, July 16, 2018. (Credit: AP Photo/Cristobal Venegas.)

Nicaragua and Venezuela are both strongly Catholic countries, yet in both today anti-Christian persecution is on rise -- showing it's a myth that Christians are at risk only where they're a minority.

Recent developments in the Central American nations of Nicaragua and Venezuela both offer not only sobering indications about the direction of those societies, but also a thorough debunking of one of the most persistent myths about anti-Christian persecution in the early 21st century.
Since the subject first arose as a matter of political and media chatter in the 1990s, conversation about anti-Christian persecution has gone through several phases of denial.

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The remaining type of denial, and one that’s proven surprisingly enduring, is that Christians are at risk of persecution only where they’re a minority. In largely Christian societies, or so the myth goes, individual Christians ought to be safe - and if they’re not, whatever they’re suffering isn’t really “religious” persecution.
Even a moment’s reflection, however, is enough to demonstrate that it’s not just places where Christians are a minority that form the front lines of this war, and it never has been..
Our culture is ignorant of history, ancient and modern. Why is there a "myth" that Christians are only persecuted when they are in the minority?

Have we forgotten the French Revolution? Cromwell in Ireland?

Less than 100 years ago: The repression of Catholics in Mexico under the Calles regime, the rebellion of the Cristero War, and the martyrdom of Blessed Miguel Pro.

We won't see a "hot" persecution in America anytime soon -- because our police and military are mostly filled with Christian believers.
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Re: A Coming Persecution

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Re: A Coming Persecution

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Re: A Coming Persecution

Post by Thoth » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:49 pm

Not sure why I'm posting to this thread (most likely to delay doing the dishes) but as probably the only person here to have lost family members and friends for the mere fact that they were Christians (in Egypt) not to mention the church I grew up in Jersey was burned down in '79 by arson and periodically has arabic anti-Christian graffiti pop up on it to this day. What is happening here isn't persecution, it just the consequence of society moving on from from a Christian one to a post-Christian one and now almost all the way back to a pre-Christian one (just to define things with post-Christian being vast majority having some sort of Christian formation by straying away from the church/faith for various reasons, to a pre-Christian one with an increasing large percent have no sort of Christian foundation) coupled with the overall decrease of civility in public discourse and other societal ills. Christian ideals (or what have you) no longer carries the weight or the consideration it once did. If you are used to that culturally; what is happening is a bit of a shock and saddening.


When I need to start worrying about being martyred because of walking into a church, or something bad will happen to my wife because she wears a cross out in public, or need to tattoo a cross on my children so they would know they came from a Christian family in case of them being kidnapped and forced to convert; then I'll worry about persecution.


Besides we were promised persecution anyway.
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Re: A Coming Persecution

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New poll shows anti-Christian persecution a ‘very severe’ global concern
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Men walk in rubble Nov. 13 near St. Mary's Catholic Church and St. Elias Orthodox Church after a bombing in Damascus, Syria. Christians in the Middle East face extinction because of genocide, wars and international indifference to their plight, said speakers at a Dec. 5 panel discussion in New York. (Credit: CNS)

NEW YORK — According to a new poll, an increasing number of Catholics believe anti-Christian persecution is a “very severe” global concern.

Results from an annual survey conducted by the papal charity Aid to the Church in Need USA released this week reveal that 46 percent of U.S. Catholics believe the issue to be a severe concern, up from only 30 percent last year. The survey also found that 58 percent of Catholics identify as “very concerned” about the plight of Christians around the globe, also up from 41 percent last year.

Yet despite the general increase in awareness and concern, the same data reveal that most U.S. Catholics believe that attention to the issue is lacking on both the local level and national levels of the U.S. Church.

Of the 1,000 respondents surveyed by McLaughlin & Associates, only 19 percent believe that their local parish is “very involved” on the issue, a drop of 18 percent from last year’s data. Another 22 percent said they were “unsure” as to the Church’s involvement.

On the other end of the spectrum, only 24 percent of respondents believe that their bishop is “very engaged” on the topic, down 8 percent from last year. Another 14 percent said that their bishop is “not engaged at all.”

Meanwhile, Pope Francis received high marks for his involvement, with a majority (51 percent) of respondents saying they believe he is “very engaged” with the issue, while only 14 percent said they were “unsure” of the pope’s involvement.

Coincidently, the pope’s selected prayer intention for the month of March this year is dedicated to new Christian martyrs.

“It might be hard for us to believe, but there are more martyrs today than in the first centuries,” Francis observed in the March edition of “The Pope Video.”

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Re: A Coming Persecution

Post by hugodrax » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:04 am

Holy cow. The pope asks us to pray for Christians.

I do hope he's ok, Wos. You think he's ok?
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Re: A Coming Persecution

Post by Goose55 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:12 am

It's a mild form of persecution but nevertheless real right here in the US of A. Let's just take public school or colleges. Why now to even imply there may be a God who created the world may very well get you sacked.
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Re: A Coming Persecution

Post by Hovannes » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:14 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:04 am
Holy cow. The pope asks us to pray for Christians.

I do hope he's ok, Wos. You think he's ok?
That's so out of character! :rotfl:
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