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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by coco » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:37 pm

UncleBob wrote:
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UncleBob wrote:Have any of you folks read Grudem's Systematic Theology?
Yes - if I want to take a look at a doctrinal issue, that's always the first book I grab (other than the Bible, of course).
He comes across as a kind theologian, which is rare, IMO.
I've read through it several times, and have used it for classes with laymen. It is extremely accessible, though there are occasional oversimplifications of issues. Also, the two chapters dealing with prophecy in this age are not well argued, though they are certainly written with good intentions.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:43 pm

coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

:chili:
Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
True.

(If I ever finish with Barth's Church Dogmatics, I'm going to have to get his face tatooed on my butt.)
Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:44 pm

coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Sir Moose wrote:
UncleBob wrote:Have any of you folks read Grudem's Systematic Theology?
Yes - if I want to take a look at a doctrinal issue, that's always the first book I grab (other than the Bible, of course).
He comes across as a kind theologian, which is rare, IMO.
I've read through it several times, and have used it for classes with laymen. It is extremely accessible, though there are occasional oversimplifications of issues. Also, the two chapters dealing with prophecy in this age are not well argued, though they are certainly written with good intentions.
You know, I often wonder if the simpler approaches are actually the better approaches.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by coco » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:06 pm

UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

:chili:
Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
True.

(If I ever finish with Barth's Church Dogmatics, I'm going to have to get his face tatooed on my butt.)
Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
I figured you would like him.

He liked guns and pipes and preaching to prisoners. He seemed like he would have been a great guy to hang out with.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:10 pm

coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

:chili:
Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
True.

(If I ever finish with Barth's Church Dogmatics, I'm going to have to get his face tatooed on my butt.)
Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
I figured you would like him.

He liked guns and pipes and preaching to prisoners. He seemed like he would have been a great guy to hang out with.
Plus, he liked Kierkegaard so he can't be all bad.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by coco » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:18 pm

UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:[quote="UncleBob"]...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

:chili:
Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
True.

(If I ever finish with Barth's Church Dogmatics, I'm going to have to get his face tatooed on my butt.)
Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
I figured you would like him.

He liked guns and pipes and preaching to prisoners. He seemed like he would have been a great guy to hang out with.
Plus, he liked Kierkegaard so he can't be all bad.[/quote]
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by tuttle » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:43 am

I own/have read Grudem for school and for personal study. I've also own, though have only read a bit of, Michael Horton's "The Christian Faith".

More often than not, when I'm finding myself in need of some studyin' theology, I usually start with a Study Bible before I grab the Systematic Theology books from the shelf. I also tend to seriously look aslant at systems (even great systems that I find to have a good grasp on it all) that force you to do backflips instead of slipping out the back door. That is, if the system doesn't allow you to answer a question unless you answer it only by way of the system, then I tend to think of it as a flaw. It's like if I'm looking for 12th street in a town I'm unfamiliar with, I'll follow a map precisely, but I'll trust the roads I'm walking on more than the map of the roads. If I look up and see that I can cut across this field to get to 12th street, but the map wants me to double back and get there in some weird complicated way, I'm going to ditch the map and cut across the field. The best systems at least acknowledge the flaw and aren't going to crumble when I stop using it. Some systems just fall apart if that happens though. Like my journey across the field would make the map disintegrate.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by gaining_age » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:13 am

I've read through the Grudem big book.

I also have Wilmington's guide to the Bible. It's a very concise (outline form) one.

http://www.amazon.com/Willmingtons-Guid ... 1414329717

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Gabriel » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:57 pm

When researching for personal study or writing for work, my most used systematic theologies are Erickson and Grudem.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Joshoowah » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:48 pm

A lot of Grudem fans. I suppose I'm not all that surprised. His systematic theology text is not a bad one, and it probably is one of the most accessible ones.
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Post by UncleBob » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:54 pm

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Onyx » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:50 am

This is the most genteel smackdown ever.

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Joshoowah » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:18 am

Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
Grudem knows as much about theology as Mozart knows about internal combustion engines.




Is that better?

I kid, of course.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:21 am

Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:24 am

Have any of you folks read Integrative Theology by Gordon R. Lewis and Bruce A. Demarest? I have the set but never got around to reading them.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Del » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:52 am

UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:13 am

Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Del » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:27 am

UncleBob wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
There is no "theology exam" to get into heaven.

There is, however, a tendency among Evangelicals to micro-focus on salvation and heaven. (And often these two things are confused into one thing.) Our relationship with God is much larger than this.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:40 am

Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
There is no "theology exam" to get into heaven.

There is, however, a tendency among Evangelicals to micro-focus on salvation and heaven. (And often these two things are confused into one thing.) Our relationship with God is much larger than this.
Delsplain it for me again; how do we Protestants think? My favorite part is how you didn't think Calvinists existed anymore until recently.
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