Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by FredS » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:50 pm

Hovannes wrote:
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Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
You want that I should reference St John of the Cross and the Dark Night of the Soul?
That'd be better. I like to think we can discuss the dark night without reducing what is a serious topic - that is, the distressing feeling that God is distant - without reducing it to a cute poster a 12 year old girl might put on her bedroom wall.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by hugodrax » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:54 pm

FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
You want that I should reference St John of the Cross and the Dark Night of the Soul?
That'd be better. I like to think we can discuss the dark night without reducing what is a serious topic - that is, the distressing feeling that God is distant - without reducing it to a cute poster a 12 year old girl might put on her bedroom wall.
Yes. We won't be having any of that simple, childlike faith.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by JimVH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:01 pm

hugodrax wrote:
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FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:03 pm

Fainn wrote:I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
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Also what exactly is the unpardonable sin?
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by hugodrax » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:05 pm

JimVH wrote:
hugodrax wrote:
JimVH wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
I carry those footprints with me, so I'm never alone.

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I'm sure that gives it a sad.
I profoundly distrust otherwise good men who write like that. :D
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:06 pm

Roadmaster wrote:
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Roadmaster wrote:My understanding of this is if you are worried about it you haven't committed it.
I had heard that, but is there a Bible verse to back it up?
Coco would know.
Quick explanation: Compare the verses that speak on the unpardonable sin. The person who these verses are talking about simply doesn't care that he has done so. He has an attitude of recalcitrance and unrepentance.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:08 pm

tuttle wrote:
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Roadmaster wrote:My understanding of this is if you are worried about it you haven't committed it.
I had heard that, but is there a Bible verse to back it up?
There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ
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Re: RE: Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by ReverendThom » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:02 pm

hugodrax wrote:Yo, Fainn? You listening?

You're going through a rough patch right now. Youre a little down, but you aren't out. I have a feeling when times get rough, you beat the hell out of yourself. You know what? You're a good guy. We like you.

I'm going to say it again because you need to hear it. You aren't evil. You're beard isn't a false idol. And you're sure as hell not blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. It's not in you.

So pick yourself up. Pray for some strength to get through the down times, some hope that this will get better, and for charity towards your fellow man. Scratch a dog. Look at the beautiful outdoors. Hug your wife. Smoke a pipe.

And for FredS sake, people. You can argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin all you like, but sometimes a man just needs to know he's ok, ok? Tell the man he's ok.
This is good pastoral advice, Fainn. Heed it.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:20 pm

hugodrax wrote:Yo, Fainn? You listening?

You're going through a rough patch right now. Youre a little down, but you aren't out. I have a feeling when times get rough, you beat the hell out of yourself. You know what? You're a good guy. We like you.

I'm going to say it again because you need to hear it. You aren't evil. You're beard isn't a false idol. And you're sure as hell not blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. It's not in you.

So pick yourself up. Pray for some strength to get through the down times, some hope that this will get better, and for charity towards your fellow man. Scratch a dog. Look at the beautiful outdoors. Hug your wife. Smoke a pipe.

And for FredS sake, people. You can argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin all you like, but sometimes a man just needs to know he's ok, ok? Tell the man he's ok.
I'm listening. I was asleep at the time because I struggle with insomnia. Thanks for the words of encouragement.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:22 pm

Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thanks Hov.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:24 pm

I went to Family Christian bookstore after going to the happiest place on Earth, Bass Pro Shop. I bought a copy of Destroying the Spirit of Rejection by John Eckhardt. It seems to address some of what I've been dealing with.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by TNLawPiper » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:43 am

FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."

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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Onyx » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:55 am

TNLawPiper wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:47 am

Onyx wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."
"He who controls the spice controls the universe."
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by FredS » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:03 am

coco wrote:
Onyx wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."
"He who controls the spice controls the universe."
"42"
Are these some sort of Star Wars references?
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by AFRS » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:08 am

FredS wrote:
coco wrote:
Onyx wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."
"He who controls the spice controls the universe."
"42"
Are these some sort of Star Wars references?
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by infidel » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:14 am

FredS wrote:
coco wrote:
Onyx wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
FredS wrote:
Hovannes wrote:He's OK.
The times when Christ seems to be absent are often the times when he's hanging on the cross right next to yours.
Thank you, Hov, for not mentioning the single set of footprints in the sand.
"Sand people alwaysrride single file to hide their numbers."
"He who controls the spice controls the universe."
"42"
Are these some sort of Star Wars references?
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Goose55 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:56 am

Fainn wrote:I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
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Also what exactly is the unpardonable sin?
A Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God, and our Lord said He would never leave us or forsake us.

I think the unpardonable sin is callously, and relentlessly calling the presence and influence of God, of the devil.

God initiated and continues to be the One who brings peace from and with God.

Lastly, I don't think you have committed the unpardonable sin. Otherwise, you would not be here posting and asking about it.
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:55 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Fainn wrote:I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
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Also what exactly is the unpardonable sin?
A Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God, and our Lord said He would never leave us or forsake us.

I think the unpardonable sin is callously, and relentlessly calling the presence and influence of God, of the devil.

God initiated and continues to be the One who brings peace from and with God.

Lastly, I don't think you have committed the unpardonable sin. Otherwise, you would not be here posting and asking about it.
So you think its like a movement of the Holy Spirit, like at church, and saying its from G-d's enemy?
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Re: Can a True Christian Commit the Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Ether » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:38 pm

Fainn wrote:
Goose55 wrote:
Fainn wrote:I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
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Also what exactly is the unpardonable sin?
A Christian is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God, and our Lord said He would never leave us or forsake us.

I think the unpardonable sin is callously, and relentlessly calling the presence and influence of God, of the devil.

God initiated and continues to be the One who brings peace from and with God.

Lastly, I don't think you have committed the unpardonable sin. Otherwise, you would not be here posting and asking about it.
So you think its like a movement of the Holy Spirit, like at church, and saying its from G-d's enemy?
Most likely it isn't a spiritual matter at all. Human nature has its own strange ways, and blasphemic thoughts often occur as easy as this:

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I think you are just trying to take faith seriously, which is good, but there is not any unpardonable thought on earth.

Unpardonable is, if you forever don't want to be pardoned.

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