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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:38 pm
by hugodrax
Onyx wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:08 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:35 pm
Onyx wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:25 pm
Del wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:16 pm
tuttle wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:41 am
Del wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:51 am
The reality of Christ's body in the Eucharist has been confirmed by numerous miracles throughout the Christian era. So we understand Paul's words in Scripture in this light.
Regardless of the topic, I'd argue that this is not the best light to understand Paul. For one, even if we grant the miracles were genuine, they were still Post-New Testament. The principle audience of his letter did not have any miraculous confirmation historical record. How were they to understand Paul without it? Again, regardless of topic, this is a bad way to interpret Scripture, and one that has been abused by numerous wolves claiming more or less the same kind of confirmation that jives with their own personal sect's understanding, which is usually not at all the original intent.
Paul's original audience enjoyed many months of Paul's daily preaching. They had the context of Apostolic teaching.

But this leads into the broader argument of Apostolic v. Protestant faith.

The Apostolic Church insists that the Scripture was given to the Church, and that the Scripture can be understood fullness only when it is read within the teaching of the Apostles.

The Protestant argues that Scripture is complete in itself, and that anyone can read it and understand it and build a church upon Scripture Alone. No Sacred Tradition of the Apostles is needed. And yes.... many wolves have told their flocks to understand the Scripture in accord with their sects' peculiar perspectives.

The difference for Apostolic Christians is that Apostolic Tradition comes from the same source as the Sacred Scripture -- the Holy Spirit.
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Back to the point of the thread:

The Scripture is plenty clear in its support for the Real Presence, and this is still the faith of an overwhelming majority of the world's Christians.

But Bible Christians have convinced themselves that Jesus was making a metaphor.

So the Bible Christians and non-believers are scandalized that we don't change things to accommodate persons with medical allergies.

But those who believe this is really Jesus Christ, alive and come to receive us, are careful to preserve what has been handed down to us. This is more important than allergies.
Del, do you have a twitter account? It would suit you.
Perhaps it would suit me, too, Onyx.
What's your twitter handle?
See if you can figure it out. It was done for business, but my clients don't tweet much. I haven't used it for years.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:58 pm
by UncleBob
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:38 pm
Onyx wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:08 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:35 pm
Onyx wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:25 pm
Del wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:16 pm
tuttle wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:41 am
Del wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:51 am
The reality of Christ's body in the Eucharist has been confirmed by numerous miracles throughout the Christian era. So we understand Paul's words in Scripture in this light.
Regardless of the topic, I'd argue that this is not the best light to understand Paul. For one, even if we grant the miracles were genuine, they were still Post-New Testament. The principle audience of his letter did not have any miraculous confirmation historical record. How were they to understand Paul without it? Again, regardless of topic, this is a bad way to interpret Scripture, and one that has been abused by numerous wolves claiming more or less the same kind of confirmation that jives with their own personal sect's understanding, which is usually not at all the original intent.
Paul's original audience enjoyed many months of Paul's daily preaching. They had the context of Apostolic teaching.

But this leads into the broader argument of Apostolic v. Protestant faith.

The Apostolic Church insists that the Scripture was given to the Church, and that the Scripture can be understood fullness only when it is read within the teaching of the Apostles.

The Protestant argues that Scripture is complete in itself, and that anyone can read it and understand it and build a church upon Scripture Alone. No Sacred Tradition of the Apostles is needed. And yes.... many wolves have told their flocks to understand the Scripture in accord with their sects' peculiar perspectives.

The difference for Apostolic Christians is that Apostolic Tradition comes from the same source as the Sacred Scripture -- the Holy Spirit.
=======================
Back to the point of the thread:

The Scripture is plenty clear in its support for the Real Presence, and this is still the faith of an overwhelming majority of the world's Christians.

But Bible Christians have convinced themselves that Jesus was making a metaphor.

So the Bible Christians and non-believers are scandalized that we don't change things to accommodate persons with medical allergies.

But those who believe this is really Jesus Christ, alive and come to receive us, are careful to preserve what has been handed down to us. This is more important than allergies.
Del, do you have a twitter account? It would suit you.
Perhaps it would suit me, too, Onyx.
What's your twitter handle?
See if you can figure it out. It was done for business, but my clients don't tweet much. I haven't used it for years.
@TheRealKardashian?

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
by hugodrax
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:58 am
by Del
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Leavened with levity?

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
by TNLawPiper
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:52 am
by tuttle
TNLawPiper wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.
I think some folks internally read others as screaming or fuming. It's really the only thing I can think of when people start to throw the caution flag in the middle of what I think of as a pretty tame discussion.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:06 pm
by FredS
EDIT: deleted because I wrote something stupid and maybe offended a friend

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:28 pm
by hugodrax
TNLawPiper wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.
No. Over under is three more pages. Any takers?

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:55 pm
by Del
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:28 pm
TNLawPiper wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.
No. Over under is three more pages. Any takers?
I make it a policy never to bet against the referee.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:26 pm
by hugodrax
Del wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:55 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:28 pm
TNLawPiper wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.
No. Over under is three more pages. Any takers?
I make it a policy never to bet against the referee.

Considering the fact that as long as everybody remains as respectful as they have beeb, you could tie the refs hands...

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:07 am
by Del
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:26 pm
Del wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:55 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:28 pm
TNLawPiper wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 am
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
No, but good guess. We finally found a way to lighten this thread.
Does the thread need lightening? It seems to be a tame discussion compared to some slobberknockers this website has seen.
No. Over under is three more pages. Any takers?
I make it a policy never to bet against the referee.

Considering the fact that as long as everybody remains as respectful as they have been, you could tie the refs hands...
Or we could just hire a few of your former clients with hand-tying experience and save ourselves a trip to Pittsburgh.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:12 am
by Del
Eye of the Tiber:

Catholic Church Says No To Gluten-Free Catholics Entering Heaven
Townsend went on to remind Catholics that none of the disciples present at the Last Supper were gluten-free, and that if one of them was, it would’ve most likely have been Judas.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:33 am
by Cleon
Del wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:12 am
Eye of the Tiber:

Catholic Church Says No To Gluten-Free Catholics Entering Heaven
Townsend went on to remind Catholics that none of the disciples present at the Last Supper were gluten-free, and that if one of them was, it would’ve most likely have been Judas.
I'm adding Eye of the Tiber to my favorites right behind Babylon Bee and
Lutheran Satire
.

Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:42 pm
by Del
Cleon wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:33 am
Del wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:12 am
Eye of the Tiber:

Catholic Church Says No To Gluten-Free Catholics Entering Heaven
Townsend went on to remind Catholics that none of the disciples present at the Last Supper were gluten-free, and that if one of them was, it would’ve most likely have been Judas.
I'm adding Eye of the Tiber to my favorites right behind Babylon Bee and
Lutheran Satire
.
"Breaking Catholic news, so you don't have to."

For Orthodox humor and news parody: The Onion Dome. They don't update very often.... it takes them a long time to think about things.

Our own Brigid used to contribute some brilliant material. Perhaps she still does.