You're afraid of Luther. Good.Del wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:21 pmThe English Reformation was very different from the Continental Reformation.... as English history and cultural movements are often very different from contemporary changes on the Continent.Rusty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:03 pmThat's quite a feature rich list. Now which people did those benefits apply to? Did the peasants enjoy all that too? Why would anyone seek reform with all that? LOL!Del wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:20 amNot really difficult.wosbald wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:42 am+JMJ+
This, right here, might indicate a problem.
The Catholic "case" (and by extension, the Orthodox one) is gonna have a hard time making its case based on utility.
OTOH, the genealogy of Modernity writ large worships at the gushing spring of the Reformation. Just ask Rusty.
Love yer toaster and air-conditioning and 4K widescreen? Thank you, Martin Luther.
The Protestant culture gave us capitalism and socialism, with all of the goods and bads of each. This is our culture, and we are well-indoctrinated in this.
The Catholics will remember that we lost the monasteries... where small local armies of monks and nuns lived in simple poverty and devoted their lives to God and helping others. Monasteries were the schools, hospitals, and welfare safety net for the poor. When the monasteries were suppressed, the gold and wealth went to the crown, the farmlands were used to buy support of the local nobility, and the poor were left without any social security. They migrated to the city slums, creating the world of crime and misery that Dickens described so well.
Modern governments have spent the last century trying to recover what Europe lost in the Reformation, programs like social welfare and public education.
The Age of Christendom had
- social security,
- universal healthcare,
- public education and universities,
- church law courts which secured justice against local tyrants,
- a moral check upon the ruling class, who were expected to behave as God's stewards,
- just wages secured by the guilds,
- abolition of slavery,
- chivalry, with respect and high esteem for women,
- and widespread joy in the salvation of our God.
In 1500 roughly 5-7% of the population in Europe could write or sign their own names. By 1800 that had changed dramatically and changed most in the Northern Protestant nations. Rates of literacy improved in Protestant over Catholic nations. Why, would you think?
I think you have a thing about British Protestants. And that brings up a question... is the reformation in England the same as the reformation in Germany. I think not.
The English Reformation is very important to us because it is the cultural foundation for America.
You omitted answers for the other questions. Try again.