coco wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:31 pm
Del wrote: ↑
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j1n wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:21 pm
In my meeting, yesterday, with the local RCC church's RCIA guy, he dropped some knowledge about Mary on me that I really hadn't considered before. He told me that Catholics are very "fleshy" folks and that Mary reminds us that Jesus was actually very much human...born of an actual woman's womb, afterbirth and all. For some reason that struck me as a really beautiful way to view Mary... as a real human mother to a real human Jesus; and whose job it is to always point to Jesus. It's obvious, I know, and maybe simplistic. But pretty interesting.
... except that to Catholics her womb never opened, therefore no afterbirth or other messy aspects. Jesus was inside her, then he was outside her. They don't like it when you call it teleportation.
Is that true?
Short answer: Yes and no.
I’ll have to wait until I get home to my keyboard if we need more.
Yes, it's true, and no, they really don't
mind if you call it "teleportation"?
First: It is really good to see j1n back again. Welcome home!
Second: Kudos to Otherdel for beating the Lock.
To task: It is the ancient faith and heritage of all Christians that Mary was a virgin before, during, and after
the birth of Christ.
We do not know exactly how this was accomplished -- the birth of a child without opening the womb.
Some of the Early Church Fathers spoke of Jesus's being born "as light passes through glass." This was a poetic image, a metaphor of how Christ was born without disrupting His mother's womb. We do not have anything in the Gospels to confirm or deny it.
The Protoevangelium of James
describes a sort of teleportation of Jesus from the womb to the arms of the Blessed Virgin. Although this text was rejected as authentic apostolic writing, it does show us that this belief was already established by the second century.
In any case... by some means that has not been fully revealed to us, Jesus was born of Mary's womb while her virginity was preserved.
Personally, it is my guess that all of the messy blood and placenta were dealt with in the usual messy way. I doubt that it was as tidy as a painting by Raphael.
Why? -- Because I am a flesh-loving Catholic.
The Incarnation was as meaty as it sounds.