Can animals be evil?

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Re: Can animals be evil?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:14 am

tuttle wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:25 am
John-Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:48 pm
My dog keeps pooping on the carpet.
The pooping isn't how you measure the evilness. If the poop is solid, well, everyone makes mistakes. If the poop is liquid mud, that dog is headed for eternal damnation.
Yer right. Of course, even with solid poopy, there's still the puddle of pee... which is really worse that the poopy.
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Re: Can animals be evil?

Post by tuttle » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:21 am

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:14 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:25 am
John-Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:48 pm
My dog keeps pooping on the carpet.
The pooping isn't how you measure the evilness. If the poop is solid, well, everyone makes mistakes. If the poop is liquid mud, that dog is headed for eternal damnation.
Yer right. Of course, even with solid poopy, there's still the puddle of pee... which is really worse that the poopy.
A few months back, my dog strategically piddled on the carpet in like 14 different places. She knew what she did. She met my eye with shame. I attempted to exorcise the demon within.
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Re: Can animals be evil?

Post by coco » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:22 am

FredS wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:23 am
Hovannes wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:33 am
We covered this yesterday evening in my Communio group:

Q.90 Art.3 Pt.ll-ll of the Summa

ARTICLE 3. Whether it is lawful to adjure an irrational
creature?
Objection 1: It would seem unlawful to adjure an irrational creature.
An adjuration consists of spoken words. But it is useless to speak to
one that understands not, such as an irrational creature. Therefore it
is vain and unlawful to adjure an irrational creature.

On the contrary, Simon and Jude are related to have adjured
dragons and to have commanded them to withdraw into the desert.
[Historiae Certam. Apost. vi. 19.]

I answer that, Irrational creatures are directed to their own actions by
some other agent. Now the action of what is directed and moved is
also the action of the director and mover: thus the movement of the
arrow is an operation of the archer. Wherefore the operation of the
irrational creature is ascribed not only to it, but also and chiefly to
God, Who disposes the movements of all things. It is also ascribed
to the devil, who, by God's permission, makes use of irrational
creatures in order to inflict harm on man.

Accordingly the adjuration of an irrational creature may be of two
kinds. First, so that the adjuration is referred to the irrational
creature in itself: and in this way it would be vain to adjure an
irrational creature. Secondly, so that it be referred to the director and
mover of the irrational creature, and in this sense a creature of this
kind may be adjured in two ways. First, by way of appeal made to
God, and this relates to those who work miracles by calling on God:
secondly, by way of compulsion, which relates to the devil, who uses
the irrational creature for our harm. This is the kind of adjuration
used in the exorcisms of the Church, whereby the power of the
demons is expelled from an irrational creature. But it is not lawful to
adjure the demons by beseeching them to help us.
In other words, goats and cats and under the devil's control.
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