Plea-bargaining

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Plea-bargaining

Post by Fainn » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 pm

Haven't we all done this when we really needed a miracle? G-d if you answer my prayers:
I'll tithe
I'll go to church every week
I'll sing in the choir
I'll volunteer for the next mission trip.

Yet the truth is that the only thing G-d accepts is the blood of Jesus and faith in that sacrifice. Been thinking a lot about this with my fingers.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Thunktank » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Jesus loves and wants your heart and all the faith and good through faith that you have too. That’s what Jesus blood bought for us.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by DepartedLight » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:23 pm

So Jacob rose early in the morning, and he took the stone which he had put under his head and set it up for a pillar and poured oil on the top of it. He called the name of that place Bethel; but the name of the city was Luz at the first.

Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, so that I come again to my father’s house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God, and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God’s house; and of all that thou givest me I will give the tenth to thee."


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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Del » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:57 pm

Fainn wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 pm
Haven't we all done this when we really needed a miracle? G-d if you answer my prayers:
I'll tithe
I'll go to church every week
I'll sing in the choir
I'll volunteer for the next mission trip.

Yet the truth is that the only thing G-d accepts is the blood of Jesus and faith in that sacrifice. Been thinking a lot about this with my fingers.


Jesus told us that we should petition God with prayer and fasting.

Fasting can take many forms, including offering our time or extra tithes to work for the Kingdom.

We owe to God our worship on His holy day, in any case.
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If you feel that God is calling you to make some act of devotion, then do not resist.
He may heal your fingers.... or He may help you to bear and to love the cross that He is giving you.

I will search for some sacrifices in my life to offer up for your healing. We can all add a little fasting.

St. Paul says that by offering up our own sufferings, we all participate in Christ's sacrifice.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Thunktank » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:23 pm

I will search for some sacrifices in my life to offer up for your healing. We can all add a little fasting.

St. Paul says that by offering up our own sufferings, we all participate in Christ's sacrifice.
Good idea.

Bear as best we can together with you. This is another kind of salvation, whether you keep your fingers or not.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by TNLawPiper » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:07 pm

God wants us to keep His commandments. He tells us so many times throughout Scripture.

He also makes it clear, however, that all of our obedience is but filthy rags without the cleansing blood of Christ.

Our debt is already paid. We should be obedient out of gratitude.

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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Goose55 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:20 am

And then there is what our friend C.S. Lewis wrote about "poor creatures poisoned, trying to drive a wretched machine" ...

“But if you are a poor creature--poisoned by a wretched up-bringing in some house full of vulgar jealousies and senseless quarrels--saddled, by no choice of your own, with some loathsome sexual perversion--nagged day in and day out by an inferiority complex that makes you snap at your best friends--do not despair. He knows all about it. You are one of the poor whom He blessed. He knows what a wretched machine you are trying to drive. Keep on. Do what you can. One day He will fling it on the scrap-heap and give you a new one. And then you may astonish us all - not least yourself.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by FredS » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:53 am

Fainn wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 pm
Haven't we all done this when we really needed a miracle? G-d if you answer my prayers:
I'll tithe
I'll go to church every week
I'll sing in the choir
I'll volunteer for the next mission trip.

Yet the truth is that the only thing G-d accepts is the blood of Jesus and faith in that sacrifice. Been thinking a lot about this with my fingers.
Yes. We've all done it. Especially when we petition on behalf of loved ones, and double especially when it involves our children. We know intellectually, as many have written in this thread, that God doesn't want to extort us for some sort of deal. The Deal has been done. But still, when we're most vulnerable we'll offer whatever we have because, in moments of weakness, we think He'll do us a favor if we show that we have skin in the game.

As we mature in Christ we should strive to do this less often. We come to understand that our love and faith in Him is not a little thing. It's a big thing. A huge thing. It's everything and it's way more important than our tithe, or our work on a mission trip, or promise to quit smoking. But still, it's OK to continue with your pleading prayers when you're scared and alone in the foxhole at night. He get's it. He went through a scary night just like that and even He plead for relief. Yes, He gets it.

You're very bold and brave to share this with us Fainn. Thanks for honestly showing your struggle.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Goose55 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:20 am

FredS wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:53 am
Fainn wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 pm
Haven't we all done this when we really needed a miracle? G-d if you answer my prayers:
I'll tithe
I'll go to church every week
I'll sing in the choir
I'll volunteer for the next mission trip.

Yet the truth is that the only thing G-d accepts is the blood of Jesus and faith in that sacrifice. Been thinking a lot about this with my fingers.
Yes. We've all done it. Especially when we petition on behalf of loved ones, and double especially when it involves our children. We know intellectually, as many have written in this thread, that God doesn't want to extort us for some sort of deal. The Deal has been done. But still, when we're most vulnerable we'll offer whatever we have because, in moments of weakness, we think He'll do us a favor if we show that we have skin in the game.

As we mature in Christ we should strive to do this less often. We come to understand that our love and faith in Him is not a little thing. It's a big thing. A huge thing. It's everything and it's way more important than our tithe, or our work on a mission trip, or promise to quit smoking. But still, it's OK to continue with your pleading prayers when you're scared and alone in the foxhole at night. He get's it. He went through a scary night just like that and even He plead for relief. Yes, He gets it.

You're very bold and brave to share this with us Fainn. Thanks for honestly showing your struggle.
Well said. Very well said. And true. Thanks, Fred. I was blessed.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Goose55 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:10 pm

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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Jocose » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:30 pm

Hmmm.. Ok..maybe it's just me..

I've never thought myself important enough to make any "deals" with God.

I've never seen where God is a tit for tat kind of a God.

I will pray for and I have no problem asking others to pray for me and/or my children or anyone else.
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Plea-bargaining

Post by JohnnyMcPiperson » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:56 am

I believe the OT says don’t make promises to God that you may or may not be able to keep, petition him yes, follow Christ with your life and actions yes, fast sure, but let your yes be yes and no be no, you can not put conditions on Gods love and all you have to offer is filthy rags, but you offer it still and if it is your best, God accepts as a loving father, but again empty promises and oaths are warned against.

(This is a response to the original post, confessing, haven’t read the entire thread)

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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by JohnnyMcPiperson » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:59 am

Jocose wrote:Hmmm.. Ok..maybe it's just me..

I've never thought myself important enough to make any "deals" with God.

I've never seen where God is a tit for tat kind of a God.

I will pray for and I have no problem asking others to pray for me and/or my children or anyone else.
I used to do it as a child/teenager , but as an adult, you have summed up well my feelings.


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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Thoth » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Culturally its a common thing to do with those from the "old country" but the key thing its not seen as "bribing" God but rather its an act of thanksgiving for what is realized as an undeserved blessing. Generally what is promised is above and beyond what would be considered what we should do as Christian i.e. going to church every Sunday. If promised you fulfill. My mother had a fig tree in the yard she dedicated the fruit to God for some unknown, where anything harvested from it she would deliver to the local priests to do as they saw fit (most had a bowl of it in their office to share with who ever went to seem them). Just one view of things.
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Re: Plea-bargaining

Post by Nature of a Man » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:05 pm

To the OP, I'd be careful to make sure you're doing the "list of good things" you mentioned for a sincere reason, maybe taking a few minutes to think about the "why" behind your decision, beyond merely "wanting something out of it" or feeling like you "deserve" it.

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