Ethics of eating meat

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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by JimVH » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:54 am

John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
Oh, okay, that makes perfect sense then.

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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by Cleon » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am

John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by John-Boy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am

Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by tuttle » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:03 am

Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:10 pm
tuttle wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:24 am
1) The term 'necessary evil' is mainly what's at issue. It's loaded and I'm not sure what you've loaded it with. I take a term like 'necessary evil' as something that is evil as an actual evil, regardless of necessity. Therefore if you consider it an actual evil, I'm having a hard time with your usage of it in this context since it obviously flies in the face of clear commands in Scripture that eating meat is not evil whatsoever, again, regardless of necessity.
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I wouldn't totally agree with that, I'd agree that necessity would factor in to it to an extent, such as in regards to vices such as greed, gluttony and whatnot - if things such as meat were consumed in excessive ways significantly beyond the necessity, or ways in which regard for the life of the animals was ignored, I believe it would tie in with the vices above, as well as with Bible verses which mention caring for animals:

“A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.” (Proverbs 12:10)

I agree that there is no specific part of the Bible that I know of which ever outright declared the eating of meat "evil" in the way described above, perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words.
I'm not sure what you don't agree with, as Greed or Gluttony as a Necessary Evil is still evil, whether it's beyond the necessary or not (and technically gluttony and greed probably can't even be legitimately considered as necessary, but always transcending the necessary. Again. I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with.)

But I see that we both agree that perhaps 'necessary evil' wasn't the best choice of words, which was all I was trying to pick at anyway so :thumbsup:

Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:10 pm
2) As to the idea that things that wouldn't exist in heaven but are permitted to exist on earth, I'd venture to say that we'd all agree that at the Last Day, however that's interpreted, that Sin will be no more. But perhaps we should be careful about what we think will be 'permitted' or 'not permitted' regarding things that aren't sin.

The one thing that jumps out at me is marriage. Christ specifically says that at the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Does that mean that marriage here and now, is a 'necessary evil'? That seems like a stretch considering Paul emphatically points out that the ultimate purpose of marriage is to reveal a mystery about Christ and the church. So just because something may not be continued at the resurrection doesn't necessarily mean it is because it is evil, sinful, or lacking in something.

As to meat specifically, I don't know if there is enough in the images of a lion eating straw and a wolf living with a lamb allows us to say with confidence that no meat will ever be eaten at the resurrection. Perhaps we might infer that lion's and other predators will no longer hunt for meat. But again, it's hard to say with confidence that resurrected humanity will never eat meat based on that passage, especially in light of other eschatological passages in the same book (Isaiah 25).

On this mountain the LORD of Hosts
will prepare a banquet for all the peoples,
a feast of aged wine, of choice meat,
of finely aged wine.

On this mountain He will swallow up
the shroud that enfolds all the peoples,
the sheet that covers all the nations;
He will swallow up death forever.

The Lord GOD will wipe away the tears from every face
and remove the disgrace of His people
from the whole earth.

I've highlighted the pertinent part. Perhaps someone says we ought to interpret that just as an image of the good things to come in terms that we understand in the here and now. Ok. But then I guess we do that with the peaceful predator passage above as well.

Point is, I have no issue with anyone who wants to eat meat ethically, or even avoid meat altogether, but if one wants to use Scripture in order to justify their position in the way that you have, then you have to face the fact that the Scriptures don't put slaughtering animals for food in the 'sin' category, and not even the 'necessary evil' category.
I'm not sure what the best choice of words are, though the Bible does seem to have notions of concepts such as having regard for the life of animals, as well as not consuming or seeking things in ways which are in excess - I'd assume the same principles would apply in regards to consumption of animals for food, though I see nothing unilaterally prohibiting animal consumption, or ever referring to it with the term "evil".
Right. Eating to excess (vegetables or meats) is sinful. Eating, is not.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by Cleon » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am

John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by John-Boy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am

Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
I don't know her.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by hugodrax » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am

John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am
If you know your dog is eating the turds out of the kitty litter, is it unethical to ignore the issue?
It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
I don't know her.
I think we should give a big round of applause to Tuttle for still seriously addressing the issue long after everyone else just started goofing around.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by tuttle » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:40 am

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
Jester wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:40 am


It depends. If it annoys the cat, I am all for it. If the cat is laughing under his breath then kick the cat.
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
I don't know her.
I think we should give a big round of applause to Tuttle for still seriously addressing the issue long after everyone else just started goofing around.
:lol:

When I logged in this morning I was notified of his response so I jumped straight to it and responded. Only after did I realize how the thread had turned :lol:
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by hugodrax » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:53 am

tuttle wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:40 am
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:41 am
I'm fairly certain the cat doesn't care.
Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
I don't know her.
I think we should give a big round of applause to Tuttle for still seriously addressing the issue long after everyone else just started goofing around.
:lol:

When I logged in this morning I was notified of his response so I jumped straight to it and responded. Only after did I realize how the thread had turned :lol:
I also enjoyed five pages to get to “eating meat is fine, just don’t be a jerk about it.” Fun thread.

Also, I do not understand how J-B lets his dog eat out of the litter box. Literally can not comprehend this.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

Post by John-Boy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:08 am

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:53 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:40 am
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:31 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:13 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:08 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:58 am
John-Boy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:49 am
JimVH wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 am


Would you really want to eat a cat that's been turd-fed?
No, it's the dog that's turd fed. The cat gets Fancy Feast.
...then the turd fed dog gets Fancy Feast too.
i don't think it's fancy once it passed through the kitty rectum.
Like Kopi Luwak.
I don't know her.
I think we should give a big round of applause to Tuttle for still seriously addressing the issue long after everyone else just started goofing around.
:lol:

When I logged in this morning I was notified of his response so I jumped straight to it and responded. Only after did I realize how the thread had turned :lol:
I also enjoyed five pages to get to “eating meat is fine, just don’t be a jerk about it.” Fun thread.

Also, I do not understand how J-B lets his dog eat out of the litter box. Literally can not comprehend this.
Well, TBH, I no longer have a cat or cats. Years ago when i discovered this was happening I was faced with an ethical dilemma. Because in some ways, it's really a beautiful thing.
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Re: Ethics of eating meat

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