Yes, and I was broadening the ethics to areas of culture, hospitality and manners. People choose not to eat meat for all kinds of reasons. I personally have little interest or patience for long drawn out religious rulings over food, greatful that I’m not a Jew or Muslim. I’ve been an Orthodox Christian too, the Orthodox have a long list of fasts and fasting/abstinence rules. Most are based in long held cultural practices from another part of the world from another time. Others like Buddhists, develope a theology about life I simply find unreal.Nature of a Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:31 amWell, I was trying to talk about "veganism" as simply people deciding to not eat meat - not fancy schmancy things like "vegan patties" (barf) or fancy Vegan Grocery stores.Thunktank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:15 amAmericans of reasonable means are privileged, including how we eat. The fact that we can go online and post about it is privileged. But I was thinking about the 13 year old girls I’ve heard of around here who won’t eat the chicken given to them for dinner because they have convinced themselves that chickens are a protected class. Then they somehow convince the adults in their lives to make a special trip to Trader Joe’s to pick up some vegan patty to serve them instead.Nature of a Man wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:09 pmConcepts of attempting to define ethical treatment of animals is a fairly universal concept of world religions, from what I've seen. Specifics seem to vary somewhat.
My understanding is that most world religions never required strict veganism, but permitted meat in moderation with an emphasis on healthy preparation methods and respectful treatment of the animals - there may also have been certain traditions or movements within world religions which practiced austere veganism, similar to monastic or ascetic traditions within Christianity which practiced strict nonviolence or renunciation of worldly comforts.
Veganism is as simple as beans and rice - doesn't seem like a first world privilege to me (but feel free to explain what you meant in more detail).First and foremost, a vegan diet is a first world privilege.
Especially given that meat is typically rarer and more expensive to produce than plant based foods are. Raising a cow and taking it to the butcher would've been much more difficult than simply growing simple crops.
In 3rd world economies, or historically, I think it would have been much rarer to have the luxury of enjoying meat at all, unless one was a hunter or farmer by trade, and could afford enjoy the best cuts, or was a nobleman with his own private chef at his disposal. I'd assume the average person's diet would have had far less easy access to meat than one does in the modern world, with a fast food joint 10 minutes away.
Anyway, this raised a farm boy, hunter, and veteran is going back to sleep. I’ll leave you to hang out with the thoughts of Orthodox and Buddhist monks and teenage girls to talk about meat abstinence, husbandry ethics, non violence and vegan eating. I’m looking forward to eating my free range eggs in the morning.
I do consider food ethics. I support humanely treating livestock, my brother is a grass fed beef farmer in Pennsylvania. Those cows of his are as happy as cows can be! I wish I lived with them. And that’s another important point and part of the solution to better ethics and self awareness, it is good to have a personal experience with your food. To really know it, to experience where it comes from and what it needs to grow. I actually dislike large scale farming if for no other reason than it enables people to spend their whole lives getting all their food from a shopping center. Go grow food, raise food, fish for food and hunt for food!
I have raised food with my own hands, I’ve killed animals to guard the garden or to put wild game on the table. I’ve done this all my life and so have countless generations of people before me. We evolved as hunters first. That’s part of our true nature, no different than that of a wolf. I’m more concerned about the ethics of gluttony and greed than of eating meat, which to me, in and of itself is of no concern. I only wish my urban life today allowed for more contact with my food before it gets wrapped in cellophane. I do what I can.