Still, I ask, what is the end game?Nature of a Man wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:57 pmThe problem isn't "sex", but rather degenerate conceptions of it invented by consumerist societies. (My view is that sex has its roots in dance, even in the animal kingdom, and if society merely taught people how to dance gracefully, it would eliminate the void that the consumerist sex industry fills, as well as much of the superfluous advice on "dating" or dysfunctional relationships which sells on the mass market).FredS wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:23 pmWhy? What do you hope stoicism will do for you? Or us, or whoever you have a mind to turn that direction?Nature of a Man wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:04 pmI'd argue that a lot of my views are very "Stoic" compared to many of the individuals here. (I was somewhat interested in Stoicism).
But I've seen how easy in this culture it is to take advantage of women, or spend life on aimless or meaningless things and pursuits, not to mention all of the false and worldviews which are touted as ways to happiness in mass media - so I think that a stoic direction is a good direction to take things.
Where do you think that call to stoicism comes from? You seem keenly aware of 'culture' or 'mass culture' as you've named it elsewhere. In fact you seem to be repulsed by the culture around you (particularly it's hyper focus on sex) and you seem to want to separate yourself from it. I wonder if your desire for stoicism is a reaction to your grim assessment of the 'culture'.
(not being an ass, trying to understand what you mean)
And not even "sex" in specific, but sex as a manifestation of hedonism or degenerate worldviews which tout ease, idleness, and materialism as a false way to happiness - I see these worldviews as fairly ubiquitous in mass culture, and believe that confronting them and replacing with views which encourage people to embrace and overcome hardship and challenges as a means of achieving happiness.
(I believe this is a sound Biblical concept as well, since the Bible was very strongly about individuals and cultures making progress through sacrifice and overcoming odds, while discouraging mindlessly pursuing idleness and impulse gratification).
Let's suppose we had a magic wand and we could turn off all degenerate sex or sexual desires tomorrow. Do you suppose everybody would be like "Whew, now that we're done with that mess, let's all turn towards God and behave ourselves."?
I say it'd be better to use the wand to open everyone's eyes to Jesus. If we all truly desired to live in a way pleasing to God, all the displeasing stuff we do will sluff away like yesterdays dead skin. That's why the commandment to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul comes way before the commandment to not stick it in anything that lies still. The other, secondary things flow from the primary thing.