Charismatic spirituality

[hugodrax]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Anything for you Fred, I'll work on improving my righteous indigestion and haphazard judgment just to make you more conformable.

Righteous indigestion is a wonderful way of describing most internet disagreements.

[Roadmaster]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Anything for you Fred, I'll work on improving my righteous indigestion and haphazard judgment just to make you more conformable.

Righteous indigestion is a wonderful way of describing most internet disagreements.

In honor of Earl of Earl and Edna fame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9xzuerShYo

[Roadmaster]

Here is Earl in action again, the video quality is poor but it's the best could find.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suc-1gSLYdk

[Fainn]

Although I have never spoken in tongues myself, I am a cessationist, believing the gifts to have ceased when the Scripture was canonized. I base this on my own experience having been given false prophecies by both Messianic and nonMessianic charismatics. Charismatics are also usually highly legalistic and believe that sin, including smoking, is the result of something demonic. Generally so-called gifts are the imaginations of their minds. If gifts still continued today, why don 't we see actual healings or warnings of tragic events. I refuse to raise my child in such an environment where most of the preachers are con artists.

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[Ether]

I am not in any way eager to convert anybody to a special form of spirituality. Most people would consider me as rather traditional novus-ordo catholic, but I have no fear of showing up neither in a Tridentine Mass nor in a more charismatic prayer group. The more aspects of Christianity you've seen, the more wackadoodles you have encountered in general, as the church is obviously rather a hospital for the wounded than a society of perfect people. But I have also encountered credible and authentic believers everywhere my journey went. If your heart in prayer focuses on Jesus, I don't care if you are doing it while performing a handstand or wearing goat hair sackcloth.

[Ether]

... If your heart in prayer focuses on Jesus, I don't care if you are doing it while performing a handstand or wearing goat hair sackcloth...

... but doing both at the same time would be grotesque and highly irritating, especially if said believer is of scottish origin. That is where to draw the line, dear people of God!!!

[Nature of a Man]

Although I have never spoken in tongues myself, I am a cessationist, believing the gifts to have ceased when the Scripture was canonized. I base this on my own experience having been given false prophecies by both Messianic and nonMessianic charismatics. Charismatics are also usually highly legalistic and believe that sin, including smoking, is the result of something demonic. Generally so-called gifts are the imaginations of their minds. If gifts still continued today, why don 't we see actual healings or warnings of tragic events. I refuse to raise my child in such an environment where most of the preachers are con artists.

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I'm not an expert on the charismatic churches myself or the theology in which the phenomina relates to spiritual gifts.

The "tongues" phenomina is an interesting one, though.

(I've read about phenomena of that nature from a more analytical perspective, and the idea seems to be that the person is attempting to describe an abstract "transcendent" concept which conventional language doesn't have proper words for.

Supposedly, if one had a eureka moment and had insight into a concept like quantum mechanics, or platonic forms - it wouldn't be very easy to describe such a phenomena in ordinary words, and one might end up "butchering language" a bit in order to try to fit the concept into conventional vocabulary.

[hugodrax]

Although I have never spoken in tongues myself, I am a cessationist, believing the gifts to have ceased when the Scripture was canonized. I base this on my own experience having been given false prophecies by both Messianic and nonMessianic charismatics. Charismatics are also usually highly legalistic and believe that sin, including smoking, is the result of something demonic. Generally so-called gifts are the imaginations of their minds. If gifts still continued today, why don 't we see actual healings or warnings of tragic events. I refuse to raise my child in such an environment where most of the preachers are con artists.

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I'm not an expert on the charismatic churches myself or the theology in which the phenomina relates to spiritual gifts.

The "tongues" phenomina is an interesting one, though.

(I've read about phenomena of that nature from a more analytical perspective, and the idea seems to be that the person is attempting to describe an abstract "transcendent" concept which conventional language doesn't have proper words for.

Supposedly, if one had a eureka moment and had insight into a concept like quantum mechanics, or platonic forms - it wouldn't be very easy to describe such a phenomena in ordinary words, and one might end up "butchering language" a bit in order to try to fit the concept into conventional vocabulary.

Whatever you think you said, you didn’t. That’s just a collection of words you threw together to fool yourself that you have cogent thoughts.

[tuttle]

Although I have never spoken in tongues myself, I am a cessationist, believing the gifts to have ceased when the Scripture was canonized. I base this on my own experience having been given false prophecies by both Messianic and nonMessianic charismatics. Charismatics are also usually highly legalistic and believe that sin, including smoking, is the result of something demonic. Generally so-called gifts are the imaginations of their minds. If gifts still continued today, why don 't we see actual healings or warnings of tragic events. I refuse to raise my child in such an environment where most of the preachers are con artists.

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I'm not an expert on the charismatic churches myself or the theology in which the phenomina relates to spiritual gifts.

The "tongues" phenomina is an interesting one, though.

(I've read about phenomena of that nature from a more analytical perspective, and the idea seems to be that the person is attempting to describe an abstract "transcendent" concept which conventional language doesn't have proper words for.

Supposedly, if one had a eureka moment and had insight into a concept like quantum mechanics, or platonic forms - it wouldn't be very easy to describe such a phenomena in ordinary words, and one might end up "butchering language" a bit in order to try to fit the concept into conventional vocabulary.

Whatever you think you said, you didn’t. That’s just a collection of words you threw together to fool yourself that you have cogent thoughts.

I almost recommended everyone takes a drink whenever NoaM prefaces anything with "I'm not an expert... Although I've never... My layman thoughts on this... " etc. but I don't want anyone to die.

[FredS]

You know what I do when I see or feel some overwhelmingly beautiful and transcendent thing that's beyond description? I keep my damned mouth shut and take in every second of it that I can. If, later, I want to share it with someone who did not witness it in person I'll find words they can understand or I won't describe it at all.

Like a sunset over the Keys or your baby's first smile, showing someone a picture of it doesn't bring about the same feeling you had in person. And we all know a picture is worth a thousand gibberish words. What usually happens is that I shrug my shoulders and simply say "It was nice."

[Nature of a Man]

Although I have never spoken in tongues myself, I am a cessationist, believing the gifts to have ceased when the Scripture was canonized. I base this on my own experience having been given false prophecies by both Messianic and nonMessianic charismatics. Charismatics are also usually highly legalistic and believe that sin, including smoking, is the result of something demonic. Generally so-called gifts are the imaginations of their minds. If gifts still continued today, why don 't we see actual healings or warnings of tragic events. I refuse to raise my child in such an environment where most of the preachers are con artists.

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I'm not an expert on the charismatic churches myself or the theology in which the phenomina relates to spiritual gifts.

The "tongues" phenomina is an interesting one, though.

(I've read about phenomena of that nature from a more analytical perspective, and the idea seems to be that the person is attempting to describe an abstract "transcendent" concept which conventional language doesn't have proper words for.

Supposedly, if one had a eureka moment and had insight into a concept like quantum mechanics, or platonic forms - it wouldn't be very easy to describe such a phenomena in ordinary words, and one might end up "butchering language" a bit in order to try to fit the concept into conventional vocabulary.

Whatever you think you said, you didn’t. That’s just a collection of words you threw together to fool yourself that you have cogent thoughts.

Whatever you think I didn't say, I did.

I almost recommended everyone takes a drink whenever NoaM prefaces anything with "I'm not an expert... Although I've never... My layman thoughts on this... " etc. but I don't want anyone to die.

I'm trying to be unpretentious about not being an expert on the subjects, they're just my own thoughts based on things I've observed or read here and there - take my thoughts with the same grain of salt that you would If I was offering medical advice.

[DepartedLight]

Mary was in the upper room.

[Del]

Mary was in the upper room.

And the first to receive the Holy Spirit twice!

[tuttle]

I almost recommended everyone takes a drink whenever NoaM prefaces anything with "I'm not an expert... Although I've never... My layman thoughts on this... " etc. but I don't want anyone to die.

I'm trying to be unpretentious about not being an expert on the subjects, they're just my own thoughts based on things I've observed or read here and there - take my thoughts with the same grain of salt that you would If I was offering medical advice.

It was a light razz. Everyone around here has their quirks.

[AFRS]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Your willingness to point out another man's lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

And by uncomfortable, I mean a sharp exhalation through the nostrils and a mild spasming of my diaphragm accompanied by a strange gutteral grunting sound coming from my throat.

[hugodrax]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Your willingness to point out another man's lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

And by uncomfortable, I mean a sharp exhalation through the nostrils and a mild spasming of my diaphragm accompanied by a strange gutteral grunting sound coming from my throat.

Is it accompanied by stertorous breathing?

[AFRS]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Your willingness to point out another man's lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

And by uncomfortable, I mean a sharp exhalation through the nostrils and a mild spasming of my diaphragm accompanied by a strange gutteral grunting sound coming from my throat.

Is it accompanied by stertorous breathing?

Nothing quite so drastic. Uncomfortable as opposed to painful. Although, come to think of it, sometimes CPS puts me in a somnolent state which can result in stertorous breathing. I blame Fred.

[hugodrax]

Just my 2 cents, the charismatic form of worship makes me uncomfortable but calling them that practice this form derogatory names makes me just as uncomfortable.

Your lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

Your willingness to point out another man's lack of righteous indignation and hesitation to harshly judge people who are different makes me uncomfortable.

And by uncomfortable, I mean a sharp exhalation through the nostrils and a mild spasming of my diaphragm accompanied by a strange gutteral grunting sound coming from my throat.

Is it accompanied by stertorous breathing?

Nothing quite so drastic. Uncomfortable as opposed to painful. Although, come to think of it, sometimes CPS puts me in a somnolent state which can result in stertorous breathing. I blame Fred.

Thank heavens. I was trying to determine whether we were dealing with a terminal case of Englishness. Not, of course, that chronic cases aren't terminal in nature, but the acute onset Englishness requires immediate care.

We've been dealing with more and more acute cases out of the CoE recently.

[Roadmaster]

NoM reminds me of a much younger version of myself by his questioning nearly everything.
I have decided there is no answer to most deep questions, at least in this life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_CINAyjIr0

[Kerdy]

What is your opinion on "charismatic" Christianity or spirituality?

I have mixed feelings on it, but don't know a whole lot about it. In some cases I lean toward being skeptical of it, and see it as a way of treating spiritual concepts too much like a "drug" to get high on, rather than merely allowing spiritual experiences to come naturally as part of living life.

Not my cup of tea. I attended a function with a friend of mine many years ago because he was such a down to earth person and I thought it would be okay. Please don't take this the wrong way, but while there it was the only time I have ever felt the presence of something sinister inside a church building. It was a very unpleasant experience for me and I left as soon as I could. I will pass. In fact, now that I think about it, that may have been the turning point in my search even though many years passed since that time and when I actually began the journey.