Crucifix or Empty Cross

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:18 am

JMG wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 pm
Thunktank wrote:
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This is easy. If you’re something like a Baptist, use an empty cross. If you’re something like a Catholic use a crucifix. Just stick with your tradition and don’t over think it! :D

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

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Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Jester » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:12 am

tuttle wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:08 am
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:13 am

tuttle wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:08 am
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Jester, you need to tell him.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Thunktank » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:13 am

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:13 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:08 am
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:33 am

Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:13 am
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:13 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:08 am
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Jester, you need to tell him.
Tell him what? :lol:
Oh, nothing.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by sweetandsour » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:34 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:18 am
JMG wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 pm
This is easy. If you’re something like a Baptist, use an empty cross. If you’re something like a Catholic use a crucifix. Just stick with your tradition and don’t over think it! :D

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by sweetandsour » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:36 pm

tuttle wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:08 am
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm
now I’m feeling like I just should have remained a rebellious Baptist who drinks whiskey and smokes pipes in good conscience, you know?

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:07 pm

sweetandsour wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:34 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:18 am
JMG wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 pm
This is easy. If you’re something like a Baptist, use an empty cross. If you’re something like a Catholic use a crucifix. Just stick with your tradition and don’t over think it! :D

CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Hovannes » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:40 pm

In Army (and one Navy) chapels I've seen there were crucifixes for Catholic masses and rehung in verso for Protestant services.
An old priest once commented that on my rosary there is the corpus of Christ on one side and the other side, the empty one, was waiting for me.
I think about that nearly every time I say a rosary.

Puts it all into perspective.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:57 pm

JMG wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 pm
This is easy. If you’re something like a Baptist, use an empty cross. If you’re something like a Catholic use a crucifix. Just stick with your tradition and don’t over think it! :D

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

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Hovannes wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:40 pm
In Army (and one Navy) chapels I've seen there were crucifixes for Catholic masses and rehung in verso for Protestant services.
An old priest once commented that on my rosary there is the corpus of Christ on one side and the other side, the empty one, was waiting for me.
I think about that nearly every time I say a rosary.

Puts it all into perspective.
I like that. You get both in one.

Personally, I started wearing a crucifix in Iraq, it was all that was available as our Chaplain was a Lutheran and that is what he brought with him. I like it, a lot. It reminded me of the suffering Jesus made for everyone and I thought if He could get through that, Iraq was a cake walk.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Del » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:43 pm

joegoat wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:29 am
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:15 am
So, were we helpful Joegoat?
As usual, I'm a donkey picking the hay out of the stubble. I suppose my question may have been better narrowed by asking what a crucifix means to you and what an empty cross means to you?
I grew up a Baptist and after becoming a confused Baptist, sans the hookers, I moved to the Anglicans of North America. The ANA uses both crucifixes and empty crosses.
Growing up Baptist, you're taught that a crucifix represents slapping Christ in the face by continually having him being crucified.
Roman Catholics seem to wear almost exclusively crucifixes. Why is this?
I wouldn't put much stock in that strange Baptist view that Christ's greatest triumph is insulting to Christ.

Christ sacrificed Himself, for us and for our salvation, to give reality to the Lord's Supper. He is the Lamb of God, offering His Flesh and Blood to us so that we can receive Him as our Savior.

Apostolic Christians do not believe that Christ is being crucified continually. He is offering Himself eternally. That one afternoon is an eternal moment, constantly present for us. He is always on the Cross for us. Or, more correctly, we can always be present with Mary as He hangs upon the Cross.

Likewise, the Resurrection is an eternal moment. He is always rising for us. More correctly, His resurrection is always present to us.

A crucifix with the Corpus is a devotion to Christ's sacrifice, the Eucharist, and receiving Him as our Savior.

There is no proper icon to represent the Resurrection, but an empty Cross is a decent approximation. A simple Cross remembers both the Sacrifice of Christ and His Resurrection.

Either way, wearing a Christian symbol is a witness to your faith. You will make friends who want to share in your witness.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Adam Z » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:56 pm

Just to throw another idea out there, some in the Reformed Presbyterian tradition (as well as Reformed Baptists) that hold to the view that the image of Christ on the cross is a violation of the 2nd Commandment.

https://www.all-of-grace.org/pub/others/images.html

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

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Adam Z wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:56 pm
Just to throw another idea out there, some in the Reformed Presbyterian tradition (as well as Reformed Baptists) that hold to the view that the image of Christ on the cross is a violation of the 2nd Commandment.

https://www.all-of-grace.org/pub/others/images.html
Interesting. The earliest known depiction of Christ is from 235.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Jester » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:17 am

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:49 am

Jester wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:17 am
https://youtu.be/eXUb5ZZDhu8
Hence my saying "some". In this case, Sproul's view is actually the less common view among reformed theologians. I'm mostly in agreement with him here - particularly beginning at 8:03 and following.

Personally, I don't want to end up praying to a portrait of an artist's interpretation of Christ, nor do I want the image of Christ to somehow be a part of the worship service in my church (be it in 2-d or 3-d art form), but I'm ok with a representation of Christ to be used in art in a more general sense - and more specifically for educational purposes, be it in children's books, film, etc.

So, I do wear a cross necklace, but there is no bodily representation of Christ on it.

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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by tuttle » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:58 am

My eldest often wears a runic "T" around her neck.

Rusty would have been confused.
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Re: Crucifix or Empty Cross

Post by hugodrax » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:10 am

tuttle wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:58 am
My eldest often wears a runic "T" around her neck.

Rusty would have been confused.
Rusty was confused.

The "T"--is it a tau?

Thanks for sharing, Jester and Adam. I am rather insulated and had no idea that those arguments were out there. We dont spend much time reading each other's rubrics, I'm afraid, so some things have to be spoken of to be learned.

I can understand the position, if not agree with it and that's always something. Not much, probably, but something.
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