Unpardonable Sin?

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Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm

I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Goose55 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:08 pm

Mark 3:28-30:

"Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."

I just take this at face value. It's calling what is good, bad. What is bad, good. And don't we see this being played out today in so-called "progressive" ideologies?
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Fainn » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:13 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:08 pm
Mark 3:28-30:

"Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."

I just take this at face value. It's calling what is good, bad. What is bad, good. And don't we see this being played out today in so-called "progressive" ideologies?
Some think it is unbelief.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Goose55 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:23 pm

Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:13 pm
Goose55 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:08 pm
Mark 3:28-30:

"Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."

I just take this at face value. It's calling what is good, bad. What is bad, good. And don't we see this being played out today in so-called "progressive" ideologies?
Some think it is unbelief.
That verse above helps me. "He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'." Calling what is Good, evil.

I think also that anyone worried about having committed the unpardonable sin need not be worried. For, worry about it means God is still striving for that heart.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by durangopipe » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:01 pm

“R.C. Sproul” wrote:Humanly speaking, everyone who is a Christian is capable of committing the unforgivable sin. However, I believe that the Lord of glory who has saved us and sealed us in the Holy Spirit will never let us commit that sin. I do not believe that any Christians in the history of the church have blasphemed the Spirit.

As for those who are not sure they are saved and are worried they may have committed the unpardonable sin, I would say that worrying about it is one of the clearest evidences that they have not committed this sin, for those who commit it are so hardened in their hearts they do not care that they commit it. Thanks be to God that the sin that is unpardonable is not a sin He allows His people to commit.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Adam Z » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:36 pm

I was lead to believe, by reading other CPS threads, that the unpardonable sin is to poink a cob.

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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by durangopipe » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:01 pm

Adam Z wrote:
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I was lead to believe, by reading other CPS threads, that the unpardonable sin is to poink a cob.

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Well, that too.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by TNLawPiper » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:02 pm

Adam Z wrote:
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I was lead to believe, by reading other CPS threads, that the unpardonable sin is to poink a cob.

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No, it’s putting a Forever Stem in a c0B.

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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Jocose » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:02 pm

Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Perhaps you can show your years of research and we can go from there?
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am

Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Winton » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:50 am

I sometimes have trouble getting a consensus on what to eat for lunch, when I am the only one in the house.

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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by hugodrax » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 am

coco wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am
Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
I love how you try to point out Catholic rigidity then schism until there are 432 recognized, warring sects of Baptist in South Carolina alone. There’s a ton more freedom in that Catechism than your Confessions. :D :clown:

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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Stanley76 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:26 am

As probably the least educated member here, I thought I'd join in anyway. I thought that blaspheming against the Holy Spirit was the unforgivable sin. And I thought that meant rejecting the Holy Spirit which seems to me to be unforgivable since you aren't asking or wanting forgiveness. Just my uneducated two cents.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by Hovannes » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:40 pm

There is a consensus among Thomists, if that counts.
Question 14, Articles 3 &4 in the Summa Theologica
And for added value: Augustine (De Verb. Dom., Serm. lxxi)
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by coco » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:50 am

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am
Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
I love how you try to point out Catholic rigidity then schism until there are 432 recognized, warring sects of Baptist in South Carolina alone. There’s a ton more freedom in that Catechism than your Confessions. :D :clown:

Only Goose knows for sure.

That’s all. Continue on with your daily routine.

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My point is that consensus on anything is well nigh impossible.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by hugodrax » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:15 am

coco wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:50 am
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am
Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
I love how you try to point out Catholic rigidity then schism until there are 432 recognized, warring sects of Baptist in South Carolina alone. There’s a ton more freedom in that Catechism than your Confessions. :D :clown:

Only Goose knows for sure.

That’s all. Continue on with your daily routine.

Splitter.
My point is that consensus on anything is well nigh impossible.
I disagree.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:38 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:15 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:50 am
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am
Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
I love how you try to point out Catholic rigidity then schism until there are 432 recognized, warring sects of Baptist in South Carolina alone. There’s a ton more freedom in that Catechism than your Confessions. :D :clown:

Only Goose knows for sure.

That’s all. Continue on with your daily routine.

Splitter.
My point is that consensus on anything is well nigh impossible.
I disagree.
I see what you did there.
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Re: Unpardonable Sin?

Post by hugodrax » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:40 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:38 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:15 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:50 am
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 am
coco wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 am
Fainn wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:46 pm
I have researched this for years and still can't find any consensus.
Consensus on most any matter; religion, politics, history, economics, etc.; is well nigh impossible to find. It is even difficult to find perfect consensus in the Roman Catholic Church on matters of religion, and this is the one place, if anywhere, one might expect to find it. (And before anyone jumps on me, there isn't consensus on this issue among Catholics.)
I love how you try to point out Catholic rigidity then schism until there are 432 recognized, warring sects of Baptist in South Carolina alone. There’s a ton more freedom in that Catechism than your Confessions. :D :clown:

Only Goose knows for sure.

That’s all. Continue on with your daily routine.

Splitter.
My point is that consensus on anything is well nigh impossible.
I disagree.
I see what you did there.
I doubt it.
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