Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by jruegg » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:20 pm

UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:No references to Pannenberg yet?

Grudem was used in my college Systematic Theology course.

Oden (as Joshoowah noted) was used in my seminary course.

I've attempted several times to get through Pannenberg but haven't made it yet.

I also recently picked up Thomas Oden's "John Wesley's Teachings" (4 vols.), a kind of Wesley Systematic Theology.
I have not read Pannenberg. Thoughts?
I dare you.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:25 pm

jruegg wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:No references to Pannenberg yet?

Grudem was used in my college Systematic Theology course.

Oden (as Joshoowah noted) was used in my seminary course.

I've attempted several times to get through Pannenberg but haven't made it yet.

I also recently picked up Thomas Oden's "John Wesley's Teachings" (4 vols.), a kind of Wesley Systematic Theology.
I have not read Pannenberg. Thoughts?
I dare you.
Do you have a copy of his works I can borrow?
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Skip » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:27 pm

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by jruegg » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:06 pm

UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:No references to Pannenberg yet?

Grudem was used in my college Systematic Theology course.

Oden (as Joshoowah noted) was used in my seminary course.

I've attempted several times to get through Pannenberg but haven't made it yet.

I also recently picked up Thomas Oden's "John Wesley's Teachings" (4 vols.), a kind of Wesley Systematic Theology.
I have not read Pannenberg. Thoughts?
I dare you.
Do you have a copy of his works I can borrow?
Yes. I'll hold up the pages to the camera during the next hootenany.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:11 pm

jruegg wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
jruegg wrote:No references to Pannenberg yet?

Grudem was used in my college Systematic Theology course.

Oden (as Joshoowah noted) was used in my seminary course.

I've attempted several times to get through Pannenberg but haven't made it yet.

I also recently picked up Thomas Oden's "John Wesley's Teachings" (4 vols.), a kind of Wesley Systematic Theology.
I have not read Pannenberg. Thoughts?
I dare you.
Do you have a copy of his works I can borrow?
Yes. I'll hold up the pages to the camera during the next hootenany.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by sweetandsour » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:36 pm

coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:[quote="coco"][quote="UncleBob"]...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

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Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
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Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
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Plus, he liked Kierkegaard so he can't be all bad.[/quote]
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Who? .... Barth? Or Warfield. And what's his tattoo look like?
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:44 pm

sweetandsour wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
coco wrote:[quote="UncleBob"][quote="coco"][quote="UncleBob"]...I've read Frame's work but he is too heavy-handed with the Calvinism for my taste....
You should read my recommendations.

:chili:
Well, I have read all of BB Warfield's works...
Whoh. You should get the tattoo.
I read them from a historical curiosity rather than a didactic perspective. He sure didn't like those pentecostals...
True.

(If I ever finish with Barth's Church Dogmatics, I'm going to have to get his face tatooed on my butt.)
Do you own that? Is it the 31 volume "study" set? I could never afford that set let alone read it all.
I only have a couple of volumes, stuff I read for Ph.D. classes. Like you, the price has kept me away. I'm not actually Barthian, though I enjoyed reading what I read. Dialectic makes you think, even if you gain no answers from it directly.
Hmm... I really like the dialectic approach because theology is, IMO, inherently paradoxical. In fact, my MA thesis explored my own approach to understanding paradox through dialectics.
I figured you would like him.

He liked guns and pipes and preaching to prisoners. He seemed like he would have been a great guy to hang out with.
Plus, he liked Kierkegaard so he can't be all bad.[/quote]
:bacon:[/quote]

Who? .... Barth? Or Warfield. And what's his tattoo look like?[/quote]
Barth. We would need to consult with j1n about the tattoo, but a BB Warfield tattoo would probably resemble this:
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by coco » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:06 pm

Joshoowah wrote:
UncleBob wrote:I have decided that I need this: Click Here.
Printed books are cheaper than ever! I got to volume 7 before I Barthed out.
Hmmm... I would only be six million words away from a new tattoo.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by TNLawPiper » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:03 pm

Is systematic theology like a Deus ex machina kind of thing, or what?

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by Gabriel » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:09 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Joshoowah wrote:A lot of Grudem fans. I suppose I'm not all that surprised. His systematic theology text is not a bad one, and it probably is one of the most accessible ones.
Speaking of accessibility, what do you think of John Stott? I really enjoyed The Cross of Christ. Not a systematic theology but there you are.
I do have a few of his commentaries - Galations, Ephesians, and Romans apparently, judging by a quick scan of my shelf.
I have never used that series but I did just order his commentary on Ephesians for $1.87 on Amazon. How do you like his commentaries?
To be quite honest I don't think I've really used them regularly since college. I remember them being helpful, though not exceptionally "scholarly" if you're looking for that sort of thing.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:11 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:Is systematic theology like a Deus ex machina kind of thing, or what?
Its more of a post hoc, ergo propter hoc thing.

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:12 pm

coco wrote:
Joshoowah wrote:
UncleBob wrote:I have decided that I need this: Click Here.
Printed books are cheaper than ever! I got to volume 7 before I Barthed out.
Hmmm... I would only be six million words away from a new tattoo.
Race you. First one done doesn't have to get the tattoo.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:44 am

Introduction to Systematic Theology by Grudem: Click Here.

Excerpt of Systematic Theology by Frame: Click Here.

Systematic Theology by Strong: Click Here.

Systematic Theology, Vol. 1 by Hodge: Click Here.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:21 pm

Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
There is no "theology exam" to get into heaven.

There is, however, a tendency among Evangelicals to micro-focus on salvation and heaven. (And often these two things are confused into one thing.) Our relationship with God is much larger than this.
Well, Jesus does mention a sort of test.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by coco » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:02 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
There is no "theology exam" to get into heaven.

There is, however, a tendency among Evangelicals to micro-focus on salvation and heaven. (And often these two things are confused into one thing.) Our relationship with God is much larger than this.
Well, Jesus does mention a sort of test.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:19 pm

coco wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Del wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:This is the most genteel smackdown ever.
This is generally how it goes when Protestants talk systematic theology.

(And I just jinxed it. Cue Del in 3...2...1...)
You guys are just talking about your favorite authors, right?

It's not like there's eternal truth or consequences if we don't follow the one God has given us.
There it is.

Yes, my favorite part of God's salvation plan for humanity is the entrance theology exam in order to get in heaven. I hear that due to some crowding (thanks, Joel Osteen), they are upping the minimum score from 68% to 71%.
There is no "theology exam" to get into heaven.

There is, however, a tendency among Evangelicals to micro-focus on salvation and heaven. (And often these two things are confused into one thing.) Our relationship with God is much larger than this.
Well, Jesus does mention a sort of test.
Image
Gah! How did you manage to bring goats into this thread?!
There it is.

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by sweetandsour » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:21 am

Ok ... I ordered a copy of Grudems' text book, from a Half Price store. Man that thing's thick ... are you guys kidding me? BTW, I found a Visa receipt in it, from Thai Spice, in Lee's Summit, MO ... last 4 digits are 5565. Apparently they didn't leave a tip.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

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sweetandsour wrote:Ok ... I ordered a copy of Grudems' text book, from a Half Price store. Man that thing's thick ... are you guys kidding me? BTW, I found a Visa receipt in it, from Thai Spice, in Lee's Summit, MO ... last 4 digits are 5565. Apparently they didn't leave a tip.
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It's thick but it's pretty well organized. It was the text for my doctrine 1 & 2 class and we went from front to back, but it's best used as needed. That is, you don't need to read chapter 1 to understand chapter 13 or whatever. They don't technically build on each other. You can start front to back, back to front, middle, etc.
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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by AFRS » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:52 am

Skip wrote:I still have rice left. I'm thinking I might eat it into the shape of a cathedral door, just for Del.
Then nail 99 feces to it.

Just call me Whit N. Burg.

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Re: Protestant Smackdown: What is Your Favorite Systematic Theology?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:29 am

UncleBob wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:12 pm
coco wrote:
Joshoowah wrote:
UncleBob wrote:I have decided that I need this: Click Here.
Printed books are cheaper than ever! I got to volume 7 before I Barthed out.
Hmmm... I would only be six million words away from a new tattoo.
Race you. First one done doesn't have to get the tattoo.
Still no tattoos, I suppose.
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