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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:38 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:37 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
It's really cheap.
Ah!
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Cleon » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
We normally use a locally made red table wine. It is sweet, but not sickeningly so. One Sunday I switched it out with a dry merlot because, well, I forgot to buy the regular wine on Saturday. The merlot was what I had on hand. Man you should have heard all the coughs and gags from the kids and ladies. The REAL drinkers in the congregation were obvious. They sighed with pleasure.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:07 pm

Cleon wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
We normally use a locally made red table wine. It is sweet, but not sickeningly so. One Sunday I switched it out with a dry merlot because, well, I forgot to buy the regular wine on Saturday. The merlot was what I had on hand. Man you should have heard all the coughs and gags from the kids and ladies. The REAL drinkers in the congregation were obvious. They sighed with pleasure.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by DepartedLight » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:17 pm

wosbald wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:47 am
+JMJ+

Catholicity has always insisted that God provides for those who are practically unable to partake of Sacraments.

One might think that Protestants would appreciate this attitude inasmuch as it runs counter to the "'hocus pocus' formalistic Sacramental superstitionalism" charge historically levied by various Reformists.

Then again, maybe the Church can't win for losing.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Onyx » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm

Del wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:44 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:39 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:36 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:31 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 am
Wow! I really didn't think this would be such a big deal!
Are you new here? :lol:
Onyx is surprised he didn't start it. :D
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by FredS » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:29 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:37 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
It's really cheap.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Del » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 pm

Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm
Del wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:44 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:39 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:36 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:31 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 am
Wow! I really didn't think this would be such a big deal!
Are you new here? :lol:
Onyx is surprised he didn't start it. :D
My philosophy is this. Anytime you see a crack in the fabric of the universe, see if you can work a screwdriver into it.
Or a scissors.
Del, this is the most you've annoyed me in July. There is no singular for scissors. Damn this crap!





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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Onyx » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:00 pm

Del wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm
Del wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:44 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:39 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:36 pm
Onyx wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:31 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 am
Wow! I really didn't think this would be such a big deal!
Are you new here? :lol:
Onyx is surprised he didn't start it. :D
My philosophy is this. Anytime you see a crack in the fabric of the universe, see if you can work a screwdriver into it.
Or a scissors.
Del, this is the most you've annoyed me in July. There is no singular for scissors. Damn this crap!





:wink:
I should have said, "Or them scissors."
That's better.

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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Skip » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:01 pm

Cleon wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:50 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
We normally use a locally made red table wine. It is sweet, but not sickeningly so. One Sunday I switched it out with a dry merlot because, well, I forgot to buy the regular wine on Saturday. The merlot was what I had on hand. Man you should have heard all the coughs and gags from the kids and ladies. The REAL drinkers in the congregation were obvious. They sighed with pleasure.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Sir Moose » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:42 pm

I know the discussion has kind of moved on, but I wasn't really following the thread and therefore didn't make any contributions. But now you get the benefit of my wisdom. My daughter is very sensitive to gluten and my wife is somewhat sensitive, so it's an issue I've had to deal with. So, for those of you who are wondering if a single communion wafer is a problem for people suffering from Celiac's disease:
The FDA...found that for the most sensitive people, intestinal damage begins at 0.4 milligrams of gluten per day (1/200th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/8,750th of that slice of bread), while symptoms begin at 0.015 milligrams of gluten per day (less than 1/500th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/233,333th of that slice of bread).
Taken from this article.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Del » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:05 am

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:38 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:37 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:34 pm
Okay. Somebody has to say it!

Three pages in and nobody has questioned Papal authority on grounds that no Pope, since its evil invention, has condemned and forbidden the use of Manischewitz or Mogen David so-called "wine" for use in Holy Communion!

Gluten, schmuten. This is where true evil resides.
I will not enter into discussion or argument on this matter. Some things are self-evident. Settled. Finito.

I almost died once having been served it and not knowing what it was.
Those of us who survive are never the same again.

And no, I do not ask for your pity.
Your deepest respect for my will to survive is enough.

How do they drink that stuff?
It's really cheap.
Ah!
Made from Concord grapes. Great jelly. Awful wine.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by coco » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:07 am

Sir Moose wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:42 pm
I know the discussion has kind of moved on, but I wasn't really following the thread and therefore didn't make any contributions. But now you get the benefit of my wisdom. My daughter is very sensitive to gluten and my wife is somewhat sensitive, so it's an issue I've had to deal with. So, for those of you who are wondering if a single communion wafer is a problem for people suffering from Celiac's disease:
The FDA...found that for the most sensitive people, intestinal damage begins at 0.4 milligrams of gluten per day (1/200th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/8,750th of that slice of bread), while symptoms begin at 0.015 milligrams of gluten per day (less than 1/500th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/233,333th of that slice of bread).
Taken from this article.
I read another article that said a few crumbs could set off a reaction in some people. Thus, I can see the wisdom in offering a gluten-free alternative to those with celiac disease.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by tuttle » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:22 am

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:42 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:01 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:54 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:30 pm
Del wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:58 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:49 am
Shall we just cut to the chase and admit that Protestants (this one anyway) cringe at this level of Papal Authority?
That is really the heart of it. And a worthy objection, in my opinion.

If this were some new rule, I would also be appalled.

But the essence here is to prevent abuses. The Church has used grape wine and wheat flour since the time of the Apostles, for deeply biblical reasons.

All we are saying is that commercial "gluten-free" products are not assured of keeping biblical purity. Let's make sure that we stay with what we were given from the Apostles as we strive to accommodate those with modern allergy problems.

This letter offers guidance toward how we can do both -- preserve the integrity of the gospel sacraments and the health of believers. It is pastoral care when we need it, which is why Jesus gave us a Church.
To be honest, I brought this up, not because I'm cringing at Papal Authority, but because (aside from it being a relevant topic both in the news, and something our church does) I thought it was 1) oddly exclusionary and 2) confusing.

1) I find it odd that they'd nix gluten free, but still be cool with grape juice in special cases. Why is it cool to allow one man's exception to the norm and exclude the other? I guess it seems somewhat arbitrary once non-alcoholic juice and GMOs are involved. Which leads to:

2) I find it confusing that the argument being made for this is that the wheat must be pure. How is genetically modified wheat "pure"?

I guess there could be a third reason, and that is slightly theological. I'm trying to imagine what Paul would be thinking, especially in light of such sayings as, "So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together." I know there are good reasons for people to be excluded from the Supper, I just thought this was an odd reason for excluding certain people from partaking the bread.
And what conclusion have you already come to, my friend?
I am a protestant. Natural conclusions are built into that. More than forming a final conclusion based on good evidence/argument provided by Catholics or base on my own bias, I find these discussions to be worth the read simply because things like this touch upon a core of what we believe and it causes us to either become stronger in that belief by having it tested, or by having our minds renewed.

Of course there's always the risk of having our minds eroded...
That's a pretty decent reply. It's not about the right or wrong but about the why. Ok. I like that and can accept it.

Frankly, I'm amazed this thread has gotten so much traction. To me, the Eucharist simply is, you know? And when the tiniest particle of Host or most infinitesimal drop of Blood contains the whole Body and Blood of Jesus, I guess I just don't see the problem the same way. If I was allergic to gluten to such an extent that a portion of a communion wafer was going to knock me out, I'd just go for the chalice. Wouldn't feel excluded. As it is, I don't take the chalice because I've already consumed, I don't need to go back for seconds, to put it crudely.

The better question (to me)is how you got so many celiacs in your congregation. I always thought it was Punjabs, Jews, Middle Easterners, and Meditarraneans, in that order, that were most likely to have the allergy. Maybe I'm behind the times, but I always figured there wouldn't be a high proportion of those ethnic types in an SBC church. Shows what I know, lol
I think your surprise, just as my curiosity, stems from the theologies we hold. What you see as a given makes me pause and say, huh? But on to your better questions.

One: Though we are not void of [non-white] ethnicity in our congregation, but it is certainly not a high proportion. I have no idea the statistics of these kinds of intolerances/allergies, but I didn't realize they were more abundant in those groups.

Two: We are not an SBC church so gimme some beer.

Three: You bring up a question that actually has almost become a joke in our congregation. Why do we have so many people with allergies? And not just specified to gluten...(you should see our potlucks). Because we do have a high degree of folks with allergies. We are a small congregation and I'd wager every family has some person that has some crazy thing that will kill them if looked at funny. I figure God has gathered this weird group of weezers and sneezers together because they all know how to care for each other. For instance, in this thread the gluten allergy has been dismissed nonchalantly in ways that I've seen folks in our congregation just clam up about. They don't want to say anything more because they've been dismissed over and over and it's hard to explain weird things to normal folks. But at this church there are weird people that are aware of other weird people. Maybe that's a certain attraction? But it certainly isn't the glue(ten) that holds us together. It's just a quirk. Like a funny limp. It's there, but it doesn't define us. I for one have been blessed by trying to meet my allergy ridden brothers and sisters where they are, to humble myself and eat crappy food alongside them.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Cleon » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am

Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Del » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am

Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am
Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
The allergy-prone talk about why there is such an increase in allergies:
https://allergicliving.com/2010/11/20/a ... -many-now/

The basic premise: Children raise in very clean, sheltered environments develop hyper-sensitive immune systems. The more environmental contaminants a young child is exposed to, the better his immune system is able to discern real threats from false threats.

Small families also result in more allergies.

This developed from a case study of East German and West German kids. Same gene pool, so the differences were due to the cleaner environment.
A pattern emerged: the most allergic were the Munich kids with one or no siblings; the least allergic were the East Germans with two or more brothers and sisters. Children in the larger families were being exposed to more germs. It fit with this rudimentary hygiene hypothesis. “It took off from there,” says von Mutius.

Where the hygiene theory took off to was a place caught in a time warp: the traditional European farm, where father, mother and children still do all the manual labor, from milking to sweeping out the stables. The idea to look at the family-run farm actually came from a school doctor in a Swiss village. He noticed that farm children under his care, unlike other kids, never seemed to get hay fever.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Cleon » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:40 am

Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am
Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
The allergy-prone talk about why there is such an increase in allergies:
https://allergicliving.com/2010/11/20/a ... -many-now/

The basic premise: Children raise in very clean, sheltered environments develop hyper-sensitive immune systems. The more environmental contaminants a young child is exposed to, the better his immune system is able to discern real threats from false threats.

Small families also result in more allergies.

This developed from a case study of East German and West German kids. Same gene pool, so the differences were due to the cleaner environment.
A pattern emerged: the most allergic were the Munich kids with one or no siblings; the least allergic were the East Germans with two or more brothers and sisters. Children in the larger families were being exposed to more germs. It fit with this rudimentary hygiene hypothesis. “It took off from there,” says von Mutius.

Where the hygiene theory took off to was a place caught in a time warp: the traditional European farm, where father, mother and children still do all the manual labor, from milking to sweeping out the stables. The idea to look at the family-run farm actually came from a school doctor in a Swiss village. He noticed that farm children under his care, unlike other kids, never seemed to get hay fever.
That is the total opposite of what I would have thought.

Anyone else?
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by Thoth » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:59 am

coco wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:07 am
Sir Moose wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:42 pm
I know the discussion has kind of moved on, but I wasn't really following the thread and therefore didn't make any contributions. But now you get the benefit of my wisdom. My daughter is very sensitive to gluten and my wife is somewhat sensitive, so it's an issue I've had to deal with. So, for those of you who are wondering if a single communion wafer is a problem for people suffering from Celiac's disease:
The FDA...found that for the most sensitive people, intestinal damage begins at 0.4 milligrams of gluten per day (1/200th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/8,750th of that slice of bread), while symptoms begin at 0.015 milligrams of gluten per day (less than 1/500th of a teaspoon of flour or 1/233,333th of that slice of bread).
Taken from this article.
I read another article that said a few crumbs could set off a reaction in some people. Thus, I can see the wisdom in offering a gluten-free alternative to those with celiac disease.
Went through the 95 page FDA report and turns out this one single case. of the various studies that were aggregated in the FDA report.

Like I mentioned pastorally for these people they can recieve a crumb and from a sacramental stand point have been fully communed and it is minimal gluten exposure.

Epidemiologically people that are that hyper-sensitive to gluten are extremely rare.


@Durangopipes, you should probably avoid drinking wine with Egyptians. They like their wine sweet and Manshewitz is table wine for many families (whch drives my wife nuts since she prefers dry wines).
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by infidel » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:46 am

Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:40 am
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am
Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
The allergy-prone talk about why there is such an increase in allergies:
https://allergicliving.com/2010/11/20/a ... -many-now/

The basic premise: Children raise in very clean, sheltered environments develop hyper-sensitive immune systems. The more environmental contaminants a young child is exposed to, the better his immune system is able to discern real threats from false threats.

Small families also result in more allergies.

This developed from a case study of East German and West German kids. Same gene pool, so the differences were due to the cleaner environment.
A pattern emerged: the most allergic were the Munich kids with one or no siblings; the least allergic were the East Germans with two or more brothers and sisters. Children in the larger families were being exposed to more germs. It fit with this rudimentary hygiene hypothesis. “It took off from there,” says von Mutius.

Where the hygiene theory took off to was a place caught in a time warp: the traditional European farm, where father, mother and children still do all the manual labor, from milking to sweeping out the stables. The idea to look at the family-run farm actually came from a school doctor in a Swiss village. He noticed that farm children under his care, unlike other kids, never seemed to get hay fever.
That is the total opposite of what I would have thought.

Anyone else?
There's another line of thinking that supposes we've largely lost any of the regional genetic diversity in agricultural crops. Nearly all of the wheat grown around the world is of the same hybrid variety developed a few decades ago. High-yielding and durable, and high in gluten. And then consider how much of the processed food we eat is built on this wheat, bleached and refined into nutritionless powder.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by infidel » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am

Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am
Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
That's a valid concern of many.
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Re: Vatican rules no gluten free bread in Eucharist

Post by FredS » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:18 pm

infidel wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:46 am
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:40 am
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:42 am
Does anyone here think all the GMO food, along with pesticide\herbicide overuse might be contributing to all these food allergies?
The allergy-prone talk about why there is such an increase in allergies:
https://allergicliving.com/2010/11/20/a ... -many-now/

The basic premise: Children raise in very clean, sheltered environments develop hyper-sensitive immune systems. The more environmental contaminants a young child is exposed to, the better his immune system is able to discern real threats from false threats.

Small families also result in more allergies.

This developed from a case study of East German and West German kids. Same gene pool, so the differences were due to the cleaner environment.
A pattern emerged: the most allergic were the Munich kids with one or no siblings; the least allergic were the East Germans with two or more brothers and sisters. Children in the larger families were being exposed to more germs. It fit with this rudimentary hygiene hypothesis. “It took off from there,” says von Mutius.

Where the hygiene theory took off to was a place caught in a time warp: the traditional European farm, where father, mother and children still do all the manual labor, from milking to sweeping out the stables. The idea to look at the family-run farm actually came from a school doctor in a Swiss village. He noticed that farm children under his care, unlike other kids, never seemed to get hay fever.
That is the total opposite of what I would have thought.

Anyone else?
There's another line of thinking that supposes we've largely lost any of the regional genetic diversity in agricultural crops. Nearly all of the wheat grown around the world is of the same hybrid variety developed a few decades ago. High-yielding and durable, and high in gluten. And then consider how much of the processed food we eat is built on this wheat, bleached and refined into nutritionless powder.
There are dozens of reasons that more and more bodies are reacting to more and more substances. Bad air in sick buildings (like schools), way different food supply (half of what I eat wouldn't even be recognized as "food" by my grandparents), infertility drugs certainly influence our babies while they're still in the womb, all sorts of new chemicals and pesticides and preservatives that make food cheaper, sedentary lifestyles, watching blue screens when we should be sleeping, lack of childhood activities out of doors where sunlight heals and dirt naturally immunizes, meat from animals that are feed exclusively grass seeds. We also have tests which reveal *peanut allergies and gluten insensitivity that used to be considered simply a queasy stomach. Then we medicate for that and introduce a whole 'nother set of chemicals to purposely alter our chemical balance. Add it all up and we're so far out of whack from humans of 200 years ago that we're almost a different species. Our science has evolved much faster than our genetics.

*Understand that I am not saying peanut allergies and celiac are minor health issues. Mrs FredS has removed gluten from her diet and is healthier and lighter than she'd been in 35 years. But she doesn't die if she accidentally consumes gluten. In her case it results in IBS and discomfort, not a trip to the ER.
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