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Christian Radio Show Warns Of Satanic Merger Of Catholicism And Islam
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Mike Gendron seeks to convert Catholics to evangelical Christianity (Image from interview by The Master's Academy International)

Wednesday’s CrossTalk program on VCY America featured a conversation about the danger of Catholicism merging with Islam to create the false one world religion warned about in the biblical book of Revelation. VCY America is a Milwaukee-based Christian broadcasting operation that owns 25 full-power radio stations, mostly in the Midwest, and reaches others through affiliate stations and online.

The featured guest was Mike Gendron, described as a former Catholic and the founder and director of Proclaiming the Gospel ministry, which is dedicated to trying to rescue Catholics who are “victims of deception” and convert them to “biblical Christianity.” Gendron’s group also sells an audio recording of his one world religion warning.

As RWW has reported, major Religious Right figures have said that Islam is not really a religion but a totalitarian ideology and therefore not worthy of First Amendment protection. Gendron has similar thoughts about the Catholic Church. He says that Catholicism is, like Islam, not only a religion but a political identity, and says that “they share a similar political ideology.”

On the Crosstalk page promoting the show, they list what Gendron calls the “common bonds” between the two religions, and he and host Jim Schneider talked through them. He says Catholicism and Islam both:
  • esteem and honor Mary.
  • seek messages from apparitions of Mary.
  • are anti-Semitic.
  • embrace another Jesus.
  • seek world dominion.
  • deny the authority of Scripture.
  • use prayer beads to avoid punishment.
  • take pilgrimages to obtain favor from God.
  • have human mediators.
  • have a works righteousness salvation.
Gendron is unsparing in his criticism of the Catholic church, what he calls its “false Christ” and false theology of salvation, and its devotion to apparitions of Mary that he calls “signs and wonders of Satan.” He says that Catholics and Muslims both worship the God of the world, who is Satan.

For additional “evidence” of the coming merger with Islam, Gendron cites ecumenical comments by Pope Francis along the lines of “all people are the children of God” as well as older Church documents about Christian-Muslim dialogue. Host Jim Schneider read a news story about a Catholic University in Iowa dedicating a room to be available for daily prayers by Muslims and other students who didn’t want to use the chapel.

[…]
Let's visualize "former Catholic" Rev. Mr. Gendron at his particular judgment:

Jesus: "I said, 'Mt. 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." You admit that you learned the truth when you were a child. Are you ready now to make reparation for the things you said about my Mother?"

Mary: "Don't be so hard on him, Son."

Jesus: "Sorry Mom; not this time. He said it himself: 'No human mediators!'"
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Baptist church removing Jesus statue it deems too “Catholic”
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In this 2017 file photo, Bert Baker, an amateur artist, stands in front of a recently finished seven-foot tall sculpture of Christ at Red Bank Baptist Church in Lexington, S.C. The sculptor says his statue of Jesus Christ is being removed from the church after more than a decade, because some perceive it as “too Catholic” for the Baptist place of worship. (Credit: Gerry Melendez/The State via AP.)

LEXINGTON, South Carolina — A South Carolina church’s congregation has voted to remove a statue of Jesus Christ because some believe it’s too “Catholic” for their Baptist place of worship.

The State newspaper cites a letter sent by Red Bank Baptist Church leadership to Bert Baker Jr., a former member of the congregation who hand-carved the 7-foot (2-meter) statue and accompanying reliefs showing scenes from the life of Christ.

The art has been displayed in the church for a decade, but the pastor told the artist it’s being taken down this week. The letter says some in the congregation believe the image of Christ standing with his arms outstretched is “Catholic in nature.”

The artist responded that the pastor’s letter displays religious prejudice and insults the community’s intelligence.
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Re: Faith in the News

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wosbald wrote:
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Baptist church removing Jesus statue it deems too “Catholic”
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In this 2017 file photo, Bert Baker, an amateur artist, stands in front of a recently finished seven-foot tall sculpture of Christ at Red Bank Baptist Church in Lexington, S.C. The sculptor says his statue of Jesus Christ is being removed from the church after more than a decade, because some perceive it as “too Catholic” for the Baptist place of worship. (Credit: Gerry Melendez/The State via AP.)

LEXINGTON, South Carolina — A South Carolina church’s congregation has voted to remove a statue of Jesus Christ because some believe it’s too “Catholic” for their Baptist place of worship.

The State newspaper cites a letter sent by Red Bank Baptist Church leadership to Bert Baker Jr., a former member of the congregation who hand-carved the 7-foot (2-meter) statue and accompanying reliefs showing scenes from the life of Christ.

The art has been displayed in the church for a decade, but the pastor told the artist it’s being taken down this week. The letter says some in the congregation believe the image of Christ standing with his arms outstretched is “Catholic in nature.”

The artist responded that the pastor’s letter displays religious prejudice and insults the community’s intelligence.
What's next? Perhaps removing crosses from their church?
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Jocose wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 3:15 pm
wosbald wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 1:32 pm
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Baptist church removing Jesus statue it deems too “Catholic”
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In this 2017 file photo, Bert Baker, an amateur artist, stands in front of a recently finished seven-foot tall sculpture of Christ at Red Bank Baptist Church in Lexington, S.C. The sculptor says his statue of Jesus Christ is being removed from the church after more than a decade, because some perceive it as “too Catholic” for the Baptist place of worship. (Credit: Gerry Melendez/The State via AP.)

LEXINGTON, South Carolina — A South Carolina church’s congregation has voted to remove a statue of Jesus Christ because some believe it’s too “Catholic” for their Baptist place of worship.

The State newspaper cites a letter sent by Red Bank Baptist Church leadership to Bert Baker Jr., a former member of the congregation who hand-carved the 7-foot (2-meter) statue and accompanying reliefs showing scenes from the life of Christ.

The art has been displayed in the church for a decade, but the pastor told the artist it’s being taken down this week. The letter says some in the congregation believe the image of Christ standing with his arms outstretched is “Catholic in nature.”

The artist responded that the pastor’s letter displays religious prejudice and insults the community’s intelligence.
What's next? Perhaps removing crosses from their church?
Too late. That's been going on for a while. Not because it's too catholic, but because they're trying to 'reach the people'.

They probably have american flags tho...
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Post by wosbald » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:19 pm

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Red lights in Amsterdam’s Protestant Church recall Catholic past
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The artist set out to “bring the Roman Catholic visual idiom back into the building.”

Last year Pope Francis was sharing the message of ecumenism with the Lutherans of Sweden as they celebrated the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s 95 Theses. This year the bridge building continues with the Dutch Reformed Church.

Built in 1306, the Oude Kerk is Amsterdam’s oldest building and youngest museum. It was also once a symbol of Calvinist supremacy after Amsterdam’s Protestants took control of the city’s government and churches, renaming the former Catholic Church of St. Nicholas as the Old Church. It is now the setting for an art installation that according to the church’s website “brings the Roman Catholic visual idiom back into the building.” The fiery color is a reminder of the fury and destruction of the Beeldenstorm (“storm of images”) that preceded the “Alteration” of 1578.

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Italian artist Giorgio Andreotta Calò is committed to reminding visitors about the period of iconoclasm that took place in the Oude Kerk between 1566 and 1578. He has performed this feat by placing filters on the windows, covering a surface of more than 1,600 square meters. All the light that comes into the church is now red during the daytime. At night, when there is more light on the inside, it appears to glow red to those wandering the streets of central Amsterdam. Red lights are an essential part of the prostitution that brings so many tourists to this quarter of the city. However, local opposition to human trafficking and the abuse of women has recently caused this to become a sunset industry in every sense.

The Oude Kerk installation is not just a reminder of Amsterdam’s past and present. It is also a very visual reconciliation with the Catholic community, which in pre-Reformation times basked in warm hues at the church. With the new Protestant identity, the ambience was cooled down with tiles in blue and green.

[…]

There is also plenty of room for temporary artistic expression at the Oude Kerk. It has changed little since Rembrandt christened his children there, but Amsterdam’s greatest painter wouldn’t recognise his local church for the next few months. Calò’s work is titled “Anastasis,” from the ancient Greek word for “Resurrection” as well as “sunrise” and ‘revival.” The exhibition is very much about the sun and reviving lost images. Iconoclasm in the past means that the Oude Kerk is perfect for this revival. The Chapel of the Holy Sepulchre is modeled on the church with the same name in Jerusalem. Before 1566 it housed statues representing the Lamentation of Christ. For Calò, this is an opportunity to fill in the gaps: “In the work Anastasis I draw a connection with the visibility of absent images.”

[…]

Making further use of the distinctive, new, red light in the church, Calò is creating a monumental darkroom. He will make impressions of the three “Mary windows” on photographic paper. The red light will preserve the image and protect it from overexposure. The preparation and selection of the images takes place in the work space in the Lady Chapel. Later, they will be developed in the laboratory of the Rijksakademie van beeldende kunsten. Enthusiasts of old-style darkroom technology will be impressed by the novel application.

In addition to bringing different religious communities together, Anastasis is about learning lessons from history. As a Venetian, the artist is conscious of both history and the interaction of cultures. La Serenissima was always the gateway between East and West. The message of the exhibition is about cultural loss all over the world, including the artist’s grief over Palmyra and Bamiyan. In Amsterdam it seems that there is not just the will to make up for some of the losses, but also the practical ingenuity.
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Neo-Christian Psychology.
The old "Oh crap we are so smart that we found out there is no God but if the common dummies find out they will kill people and have no hope so lets keep religious institutions to give them false hope so the world doesn't fall into chaos and only us very smart and moral ones who understand this complex problem will keep the secret of the absurdity of a God but promote it for our preservation." chestnut.
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Post by tuttle » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am

The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
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Tracking back to an earlier post on this page.


Baptist church’s ‘Catholic’ Jesus statue to find new home
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A statue of Jesus and reliefs are seen at Red Bank Baptist Church in Lexington, S.C., on Wednesday, May 30, 2018. The church wants to remove the art, saying it appears to send a Catholic message. (Credit: Christina L. Myers/Associated Press.)

COLUMBIA, South Carolina — A statue of Jesus that a Baptist church in South Carolina voted to remove because the congregation deemed it too Catholic has found a new home.

The hand-carved, 7-foot statue and accompanying reliefs depicting scenes from Christ’s life have been displayed outside the front entrance of Red Bank Baptist Church in Lexington for a decade. But church members voted last month to move it.

The Rev. Jeff Wright, the church’s pastor, would not tell The Associated Press when the statue will be taken down but said it is going to another church.

Church members meant no harm in the decision, and the attention has turned what was a simple church issue unfairly into a social justice issue, Wright said.

“This is not a denomination issue, it’s a church decision,” Wright said. “We are removing it to end some confusion. Some people have seen it, guests that have been here and have asked, ‘Why is this on the front of a Baptist Church?'”

In a letter to the artist Delbert Baker Jr., Wright wrote that the statue and reliefs bring into question “the theology and core values” of the church.

“We understand that this is not a Catholic icon, however, people perceive it in these terms,” the letter read.

[…]

“It’s hard to identify one feature that makes it Catholic, but even the existence of a statue of Jesus is unusual at a Baptist Church,” Fink said. “There may not be a clear rationale in play here. They may just want to be a little more clear in their branding.”

Wright said his church about 20 miles west of Columbia in one of the most conservative parts of the state just wants to move forward and find a home for the statue and reliefs.

“I don’t have any animosity against the Catholic denomination at all or the people that are fussing about this,” Wright said. “The statue has served its season. The church is making changes physically; this is the time for it to come down.”
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Post by Jester » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:45 am

tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
A women wrote this piece.
https://michellelesley.com/2014/08/14/u ... scernment/
(This general attitude might be more pervasive among men who claim to be Christians and/or subscribe to false doctrine, but Beth Moore herself has helped build that category of “Christians” with her false doctrine and unbiblical behavior. You can’t build a shoddy wall and then complain when it falls on you.)
....the vast majority of people warning against Beth are women. Generally speaking, most pastors and Christian husbands have no clue about the problems with Beth Moore
And in this day when the “Pence rule” is ridiculed and men’s lives are being destroyed with accusations of sexual harassment right and left for the most minor of real or imagined infractions, is it any wonder that any Christian man might keep his distance from any woman who’s not his wife?
Finally, I think a significant factor at play in the posting of her article is the popularity factor. Beth is riding the ebbing wave of the #MeToo and #ChurchToo movements and using that platform to gain more supporters to replace the ones she’s lost. Over the last few weeks, I’ve watched her do the same thing with the issue of racism on Twitter and by being a last minute addition to the MLK50 Conference. Racism and abuse/misogyny are both hot-topic, trending issues right now. Getting on board that train as a celebrity is a cheap and easy way to get your name in the headlines, your face in the spotlight, boost your social media analytics, gain more followers, and, thus, more customers to buy your materials and attend your conferences.
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Post by infidel » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:15 pm

Silly Baptists, this is America! Just start a new denomination. Boom. :chili:
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Silly Baptists, this is America! Just start a new denomination. Boom. :chili:
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Post by Cleon » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm

tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
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Post by tuttle » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:54 pm

Cleon wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
I hope the same. The last few years seemed like a pretty emotionally charged couple of gatherings. This one seems to take the cake so far. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and wisdom wins out.
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Post by Jester » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:31 pm

tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:54 pm
Cleon wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
I hope the same. The last few years seemed like a pretty emotionally charged couple of gatherings. This one seems to take the cake so far. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and wisdom wins out.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by tuttle » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:52 am

Jester wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:31 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:54 pm
Cleon wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
I hope the same. The last few years seemed like a pretty emotionally charged couple of gatherings. This one seems to take the cake so far. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and wisdom wins out.
Don't fret boys. At the end of the day each Baptist congregation is still autonomous.
If Beth Moore gets elected, your church should be all #NotMyPresident
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Cleon » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:35 am

Jester wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:31 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:54 pm
Cleon wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
I hope the same. The last few years seemed like a pretty emotionally charged couple of gatherings. This one seems to take the cake so far. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and wisdom wins out.
Don't fret boys. At the end of the day each Baptist congregation is still autonomous.
Dude. I'm Presbyterian. :dance:

PCA General Assembly is this week too. The women are rising up over here too.
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Cleon » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:37 am

tuttle wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:52 am
Jester wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:31 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:54 pm
Cleon wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:39 am
The Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting begins today and things are a little more contentious than usual...

Of course you've got the Calvinist issue that's been fomenting for the last few years, but this year they've decided to kick it up a notch.

Following the MLK 50 conference there'll be discussion about social justice (see above in this thread) which is sure to be misinterpreted by everyone inside and out. And if that wasn't enough, maybe the biggest issue at hand right now is, what I've seen almost across the board by both sides, being called the SBC's "#MeToo moment."

It all kind of blew up after some remarks by Paige Patterson about women in abusive relationships and then allegations came out about him covering up a rape at his school. Patterson was to give the annual address at the meeting. Since the kerfuffle Patterson has decided to not give his address and his school has fired him and has stripped him of all benefits.

So now there's a pretty big (or at least, loud) #MeToo wave being ridden by a lot of folks coming to the meeting. I've seen lots of buzz on twitter and blogs about Southern Baptists needing to place women in positions of authority within the SBC, many looking to Beth Moore as a possible presidential candidate. And just behind that wave I'm also seeing people advocating for women to not just rise to power within the Convention but within SBC churches as pastors/preachers.

Might be an interesting few days to follow how some of this plays out.

EDIT: Here's a news report that gives a little more info: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nation ... _gathering
I hope the convention comes out okay in all this. Emotions are high and the speed that all this is happening is unreal. Those factors usually don't lend themselves to good decision making.
I hope the same. The last few years seemed like a pretty emotionally charged couple of gatherings. This one seems to take the cake so far. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and wisdom wins out.
Don't fret boys. At the end of the day each Baptist congregation is still autonomous.
If Beth Moore gets elected, your church should be all #NotMyPresident
Invent an ordained office of "Church Decorator". It should make all the women happy.
"Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven" - Jesus

"More people need to put their big boy britches on." - JMG

"Dang, a pipe slap." - JimVH

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