Not sure what qualifies this as deserving a tuttle response...other than an appreciative nod and appropriate applause.gaining_age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:09 amWow.... I think this deserves a Tuttle response.Jester wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:03 amThe fact there was soo much talk and no nomination proves the SJW movement in the SBC is purely virtue signaling rather than looking for any real resolution. If there is this deep systematic racism and sexism embedded into the DNA of the SBC then by all means lets attack those creeds or regulations and I will stand next to them to remove such policies or ordinances set in place. "crickets" They didn't present a systematic change. They presented a statement demanding that every male in the SBC ask forgiveness for their misogyny from the founding of the SBC. If they vote no, they are guilty of misogyny, if they vote yes, they are guilty of misogyny.gaining_age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:14 amI noticed that as well (about Beth Moore) and suspect that was a rabble rising side smoke screen.sweetandsour wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:35 amSo, if I'm reading the reports right, Beth Moore wasn't even nominated? Greear, in fact an understudy of Patterson, is the new president of the Convention.
Im amused that the annual church profile is being referred to as the "weepfest". Apparently membership is still shrinking, presumably to the AG, whose membership is still growing. I guess folks like the dim lights, thick smoke, and loud loud music?
Social justice in the church bypasses church discipline in an unbiblical way. In fact, it is outright cowardliness. Instead of disciplining the individual, the cowardly shepherds chastise the whole flock. Social justice makes me and you guilty for the sins of our brothers. When Paige Patterson creeps on 16 year old girls, the whole Christian body (of men) creeps on 16 year old girls. When he hid the rape allegations, the whole Body of Christ (the men part) was there with him hiding those allegations. If you don't have the balls to call out a brother or sister in sin, don't get behind the pulpit and wag your finger at the entire church.
But you asked for it and I aim to please.
He's right. There is a social justice movement within, not just the SBC, but a younger evangelicalism, even in conservative and reformed camps. And not the social justice of yore, but the woke version. You know how something faddy happens in academia or pop culture and then evangelicals come around and do a Christianized version of it like five years later? That's a bit of what's happening. One of the problems with evangelicalism is that there are leaders/teachers/speakers who are celebrities that tour the conference circuit and are popular on social media and they've become a weird de facto representatives of evangelical Christians. They all tell us that they aren't (we know this because they hold conferences to tell us they aren't) but when they get woke they've taken it upon themselves to blanket their own sins (real or perceived) upon everyone else. So leading up to the SBC Meeting you had people like Beth Moore and other prominent voices begin to scold people in this way. "For too long we've ignored our minority brothers and all of our sisters and this sin needs to stop now!"
I read one of these respectable and one I considered to be quite sound and reasonable who said, "For all of my passion for the gospel of Jesus Christ, which has been accurate and faithful to the best of my ability, the gospel that I have held so dear has been, in reality, a truncated and incomplete gospel." When I read that I heard a record screech. You're telling me that until you became woke that the gospel you held so dear, the gospel of Jesus Christ, was truncated and incomplete? This is the insidiousness of the social justice movement arising in evangelicalism. They take a CPS banned issue and turn it into a "Jesus + Issue = gospel" formula. If we have to be woke on cultural issues to discover that our understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ has been incomplete until we've attained wokeness then not only are we going to cause the kind of harm Jester outlined above, we've actually reverted back to a form of Gnosticism.