The Apostles, in the Scriptures, teach the sacerdotal priesthood of all believers. Again, this is undeniable and not even a protestant ploy. Just the cold hard facts.Del wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:16 pmPaul was visiting synagogues and teaching Thessalonians and Corinthians how to do Christian worship before the First Letter to the Thessalonians or any of the Gospels were written. The Apostles spread Christian faith and worship throughout the world for decades before the first words of New Testament were written. We don't need Scripture to tell us how to worship!tuttle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:53 pmI'm not (& protestants aren't) using the Priesthood of Believers to negate the anything. If anything, a right understanding of it augments the role of the shepherds and what it means to be a priest in the New Covenant. The reformers didn't invent it to negate the Roman priesthood, they stood upon exactly what the Scriptures say, what the Apostles taught, in order to reorient (reform/correct) an error entrenched in the Church. The evidence is as clear as crystal to anyone willing to actually look at how the Apostles wrote about the priesthood in the church. It is always applied to the whole of the believers. Those who are set apart, ordained to lead, are simply that: rulers/shepherds/overseers.Del wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:43 am[snipped for tidiness]
When we use the "Priesthood of Believers" to negate the ordained priesthood, we are breaking what God instituted for us over the history of salvation.
When old Melchizedek, King of Salem and "a priest of God Most High," welcomed Abraham and offered "gifts of bread and wine" -- this is a wondrous prophetic foretelling of what our Christian worship would be.
The Protestant has it right because the Protestant has rightly understood the distinction between the sacerdos and the presbyteros in the Holy Writ. (In English it mucks things up even more because we can use the word 'priest' for both.) So it is wrong to translate or understand Peter as saying the "Eldership of believers" because Peter isn't using the word for an overseer but hierateuma, used specifically for the sacerdotal order. No longer in the NT is there a sacerdotal caste. There is no longer any single, special class of sacerdotal priest. According to the apostles, every believer is a sacerdotal priest!
To try to argue against this really is an exercise in pulling the sheets over your head. You don't have to read Luther or Calvin or even trust tuttle. You can get a Greek dictionary and a concordance and do the legwork yourself!
In St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, he is already telling his Christians that they are doing their worship wrong. Paul wrote his letters to Christians who were already catechized in the ways and meaning of Christian worship.
Of course, Scripture is indispensable in helping us to understand why we worship as they did. Have to have worship right first.
Worship right, faith right, Bible right.
Lex orandi, lex credendi.
That's why the crap-cloud surrounding Pachamama and the Amazon Conference is so important to many Catholics.
Are you saying they taught something different to the churches before the Scriptures were written down?