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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:07 am

Craft wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:20 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:26 pm
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:41 pm
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:01 pm
That’s only a small part of ham radio.

Experiments and the pushing forward of both RF and digital technology.
Emergency communication and community service.
Installation and maintenance of backup communication infrastructure.
Base of trained and experienced communication specialists available when needed.

And yes, a huge social component as well.

But the contributions of ham radio to the development of communication technology (and other fields like the initial exploration of RF devices and ionospheric propagation, initial development first of the theory and feasibility of satellite communication by moonbounce and then the first communication satellites, initial discovery of radio astronomy, and most recently extreme weak signal digital detection communication tools that are now used by deep space probes, to name but a few) are tremendous, as are the contributions in times of communication infrastructure breakdowns in time of disaster.
So do you use it for pleasure or for business mostly?
It’s illegal to conduct business on ham radio.
Sorry I was confused; I thought you were talking about how you or your job industry used it; sounds like you're describing the history of its development and why it's significant?
Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) can be engaged in In a hundred different ways, but it begins with a series of examinations, regulated by the FCC, that gradually expose licensees to the laws involved in using it, the set of operating practices guiding it and the technical information required to engage in it properly.

The range of privileges grows as progressively difficult examinations are passed.

It is a “hobby.” But it is also a “service.” And it’s contributions to the larger community, that are ongoing, include some of the things I listed above.

When I was younger, I was far more actively involved in the service component than I am now. I used to fling remote mountaintop towers to help maintain emergency communications infrastructure and go off with search and rescue teams as a communications link.

My wife (who is also licensed) and I have manned radio positions during rescue operations and wildfires, and during community events like bicycle races and other athletic events that required it.

Although my involvement in service is now diminished, I am still able and equipped to provide emergency communication capability if and when required (through a formal relationship that exists between our local amateur radio club and our county emergency services liason) and I am also a certified license examiner.

I also try to mentor new hams whenever possible.

I think you’ll discover that most hams have this same balance of “fun hobby” and community service in their involvement with amateur radio.
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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by Jocose » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:41 pm

:oops:

IOTA is not SOTA (one dit in the noise can be easily missed)

I wont post IOTA spots on SOTA spotter again.

:oops:

In other news, things are still slow on the bands, I had a couple more SOTA and SKCC contacts but that's about it.

Also, I've been playing around with Seiuchy at 20 wpm. I like this program because names, QTH and call signs are all mostly foreign, which makes me work much harder.

Also have been working on Iambic keying, trying to get practice at 30 wpm which seems to help when I do 20 wpm.

Now if I can just increase my copy speed...
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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by durangopipe » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:54 pm

Hey Jo...

IOTA, SOTA - oops! We all have stories about slip ups like that. :D

As for iambic keying and working on your sending and receiving speed - it’s common (especially when you’re learning, young and the speed hasn’t gotten too high yet) for sending speed to exceed receiving speed. As the speed gets higher, and your motor control deteriorates, that seems to flip.

I’m going to make a suggestion very different from the approach you’re taking ...

Videos of your hand key sending demonstrate a truly fine (exceptionally so) fist.
Your high speed sending with paddles and keyer is not quite as clean.

Rather than keep sending at a high speed that includes errors, I’d slow back down to, say, 18-20 WPM, record your practice and listen to it. See how clean it is. If it’s very good move up a bit. If not, slow down a bit. Move up only after the sending is clean at what had been your highest, proficient speed. It doesn't have to be perfect before you speed up, but it should feel comfortable and be mostly error free.

I think you’ll progress more rapidly this way, and you won’t establish muscle memory for less than perfect keying.

As for iambic technique ...

I find that if I don’t think about it and just “talk,” my technique is a quite indescribable combination of iambic and non-iambic technique. I am not sure why this is the case, but I believe this is quite common and has something to do with where the characters are occurring in the context of the other characters being sent.

For example, because C and Q are both iambic characters, I typically key “CQ” fully iambic; however, if a C appears in isolation from other iambic characters in a word, I often send it as if my paddle is a single lever key.

This may be partly due to the fact that I used a bug for a long time before I got a keyer.

I don’t try to make sense of it. I just go with what feels most natural.

By the way - I’ve said this before and want to repeat it - I’m blown away by the rapidity of your progress!
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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by Jocose » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:39 pm

Thanks for the advice (and the kind words, you make me blush, tee hee) I do appreciate it.

The silly paddle video was actually my second attempt at 30 wpm. I agree that I should only move up when able to send cleanly.

Last night was my first time sitting down and intentionally using Iambic keying, normally I hit the paddles for every dit and dah. Iambic made no sense at first so I YouTubed it to get an idea of how it worked.

My internal keyer must not know the difference between A and B or maybe it's just I that doesnt understand the difference between them yet, (the side you hold last will send last in A? and B will send one character from the opposite side?

L is the most difficult Iambic character for some reason, so tonight I plan on starting out slow and get a good feel for all 6 or 7 (?) Iambic characters. C Q R K L F

I have signed up for the CW academy, my understanding is that there is usually a wait to get in, next class starts in September and I'm hoping that A) I get in and B) that my schedule will allow me to make the classes that are twice a week.

Anywho, I'm glad this is Amateur radio, I'd be fired if it wasn't. Hahahahaha

Hope you're feeling better, Steve, I've been praying that you find some relief with whatever is troubling you.

Thanks again.
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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by durangopipe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:35 am

“AG6QR” wrote:Most iambic keyers can be switched between two modes, called “mode A” and “mode B”. What’s the difference, and why should anyone care?

The difference involves what happens when you have been squeezing the paddles, and you then release both paddles simultaneously. If the keyer is in mode A, it will finish sending the current element (dit or dah), and then stop. If the keyer is in mode B, it will finish sending the current element, then send another element, and stop.

To illustrate, consider sending the letter “C”, which is “_._.” When sending in iambic mode A, you would release the paddles during the final dit, and the keyer would stop. When sending in iambic mode B, you would release the paddles during the final dah, and the keyer would finish that dah, send a final dit, and stop.

If you follow this strategy, your brain and fingers will get used to whichever mode you use, and you’ll naturally develop the timing to release paddles at the proper time to make the letters you want to make. And then, if you change to a keyer in a different mode, things won’t be right and you’ll make mistakes.

But there’s another way. Since the difference between the two modes only concerns what happens when you release both paddles simultaneously, it follows that if you never release both paddles simultaneously, you won’t notice the difference, and you’ll learn habits that will let you switch between modes with ease.

The secret is this: When you squeeze the paddles, release each paddle as it finishes its final element. That is, for a “C”, “_._.”, release the dah paddle during the final dah, and release the dit paddle during the final dit. For a period “._._._”, release the dit paddle during the final dit, and then release the dah paddle during the final dah. This will produce the correct sound regardless of whether the keyer is in iambic mode A or B.

Of course, another way of avoiding the difference between modes A and B is to avoid squeezing the paddles at all. This is OK, but you don’t get to enjoy the zen-like pleasure of sending code using the minimal possible relaxed motion of your fingers.
“Jocose” wrote: C Q R K L F
Don’t forget Y. :D

And thanks for the prayers.
It was kind of depressing to go backwards, but I’m hoping for better tomorrow.
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Re: ham radio operators?

Post by durangopipe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:49 pm

I went out to the shack at around noon and turned the 7300 on to 6m. Flux is still down at 67 and the HF bands are not exactly hopping.

BIG signals in the digital portion of 6m.
Some good signals in the phone portion.
I should have taken a photo of the band scope. It was impressive.

Just one weak signal in the CW portion - the beacon at W5GPM/5 in Bartlesville, OK.

I worked MO, OK and IL and got good signal reports before the band closed.

The station I worked in Illinois was just outside of Chicago and knew some of the faculty (one of them a ham) where I went to grad school on the southside. We had nice long chat and probably lost the opportunity for some more Qs, but it was nice to rag chew a bit on 6m.

The 7300 transmit audio appears to be very good. I'd read that in many reviews of the radio, but it's been nice to have it confirmed by the stations I'm working. From what I've read and the audio reports I'm getting it would be a waste of money to upgrade from the supplied hand mic. The radio's digital audio processing along with the hand mic apparently do as well (or better) as outboard audio processors and expensive mics.

Another great feature is that you can program three different audio setups for wide/medium/narrow bandwidths and tailor each of them to your preferences, then access them quickly with the touch of a button.

You'd expect that kind of audio and flexibility in a high-end radio, but not in an entry level rig like the 7300.
SDR is definitely the future.

I'm glad I got it, but I'm still more comfortable with my Yaesu on HF CW chasing DX.


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Post by durangopipe » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:37 am

I've been looking to get another Logikey/Logikit 4 button keyer - but they've gone up to $160 (plus tax and shipping).
I saw this one on eBay and managed to get it for ~$60 total:

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I have had the original version (K-1) since sometime in the 90s. I put a 9v lithium battery in it a very long time ago and it's still going strong on that battery. I just checked the label I made when I last replaced the battery. It was March 2001!
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Post by Jocose » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:43 pm

Durangopipe wrote:... 6 m and pics...
:D
Glad to hear the report on 6m action. Also happy to hear that your keyer gets 19 years to the 9volt. :lol:
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Post by Jocose » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:51 pm

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I drive by an old barn just about everyday and noticed it had a new roof put on recently I also noticed the old mast that used to hang from the side of the place was gone.

So, I stopped by to check it out and meet the owner. He said he wasn't going to use the mast and I could take it if I wanted, so, I grabbed it.

It has 5 guy rings and is 20' when pushed together, not sure how long it is when extended.

If it doesnt work for the hex beam, I'm sure I can use it for a 6m antenna like Steve has.

The price was right!
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Post by durangopipe » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:36 pm

Jocose wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:51 pm
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I drive by an old barn just about everyday and noticed it had a new roof put on recently I also noticed the old mast that used to hang from the side of the place was gone.

So, I stopped by to check it out and meet the owner. He said he wasn't going to use the mast and I could take it if I wanted, so, I grabbed it.

It has 5 guy rings and is 20' when pushed together, not sure how long it is when extended.

If it doesnt work for the hex beam, I'm sure I can use it for a 6m antenna like Steve has.

The price was right!
Fantastic!
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Post by durangopipe » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:37 pm

My "new" used keyer from eBay arrived today.

When I opened it up to check it out I discovered that it had batteries installed and they'd leaked all over and badly corroded the battery holder. Fortunately, the battery holder was mounted on top of the speaker frame and no harm was done to any of the electronics. I'm running it off of my Astron. If I want to run it off of batteries I'll need to install a new battery holder, but other than that it checks out fine.

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I had never seen a CMOS-4 in the flesh before. It's quite a bit smaller than I expected. Everything is scaled down from the K-1, including the cabinet and buttons, so from the photos it appeared to be the same size.

I've got it connected to the Icom and the Begali paddle. No room for a bug permanently hooked up under the shelf anymore, but I left a cord for a bug coiled up under there for when I want to use one.
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Post by Jocose » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:33 pm

Cheers on the new equipment!

Currently a RAC test goin down, I've logged 6 Canucks in just a few mins on 20.

Going snowblind!
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Post by durangopipe » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:48 pm

Jocose wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:33 pm
Cheers on the new equipment!

Currently a RAC test goin down, I've logged 6 Canucks in just a few mins on 20.

Going snowblind!
:D
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It's Happy Hammer!


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Del wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:05 pm
It's Happy Hammer!


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I know about him.
He’s a Virginia ham.

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Post by Jocose » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:57 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:07 pm
Del wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:05 pm
It's Happy Hammer!


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I know about him.
He’s a Virginia ham.

:pipe3:
Isn't he from that Mt range in Germany?

... and his eyes look glazed over.
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Post by Jocose » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:03 am

I made around 25 contacts during the RAC contest just working casually in between doing other stuff on 20, 40 and 80.

These contests are GREAT for increasing copy speed!

Call signs are getting much easier to copy at high speeds.

(if I could only rag chew at these speeds I'd be happy)
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Post by Jocose » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:00 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:37 pm
My "new" used keyer from eBay arrived today.

...

I've got it connected to the Icom and the Begali paddle.
Hey, Steve, does the Icom have an internal keyer?
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Post by durangopipe » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:03 pm

Jocose wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:03 am
I made around 25 contacts during the RAC contest just working casually in between doing other stuff on 20, 40 and 80.

These contests are GREAT for increasing copy speed!

Call signs are getting much easier to copy at high speeds.

(if I could only rag chew at these speeds I'd be happy)
That’S great, Jo!
You’re doing exactly what you need to do to develop proficiency
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Post by durangopipe » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:38 pm

Jocose wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:00 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:37 pm
My "new" used keyer from eBay arrived today.

...

I've got it connected to the Icom and the Begali paddle.
Hey, Steve, does the Icom have an internal keyer?
Yes, the Icom has an internal memory keyer but to use the memories you have get into a menu. Speed change, however, is right up front on the screen with the multi function key. It’s good as internal Keyers go, but I like the Logikey keying mode (one of 5 or 6 keying modes available including Curtis A and B), and the memories are more easily accessible. Four buttons right there in front of you.

For contesting, you can increment sequential numbers within an exchange.

Mostly, it’s that I’ve been using a Logikey keyer for over 20 years and having the same programming commands and feel on both radios is more comfortable for me.

The Yaesu has a fine internal keyer, too. I don’t use it, either.
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