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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:58 pm

Bloodhound, interestingly enough, my wife suggested just keeping them in the freezer and pulling them out when I needed them. I really am blessed to have her, she hasn't complained about the rabbit pelts in the freezer that I keep meaning to get to "someday" either.

Durangopipe, you really just put borax on the joint area? I I can certainly try that, just seems like the there is still flesh on the wing bones that would eventually rot. Maybe the borax keeps the "bugs" away that facilitate the rot? I'll give it a shot, though it is cold and damp here. Actually, I'll probably do everything and see if I get anywhere.

I did consider plucking them, but would rather not if I don't have to.
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Post by Gabriel » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Working various techniques, rather than patterns today. Made with feathers harvested myself (pheasant, turkey, hen).

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:21 am

^I can see that looking like a crawdad (that's right, crawdad) once it's in the water and all those wiggly bits start moving around.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:52 am

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^I can see that looking like a crawdad (that's right, crawdad) once it's in the water and all those wiggly bits start moving around.
I call them crawdads, too.
Sometimes a wiggly fly you tied up as an experiment will take trout better than a lot of other flies, and you don’t know why.

What the hell is a wooly bugger imitating?

Nothing?
A hundred things? (Depending on the depth you fish it at and how you retrieve it.)

Nobody knows for sure, but you’d be hard pressed to find a fly that catches more fish.

Fish that fly with a slow retrieve (hand twist) or short strips, long strips and swinging -and tell us it catches fish like crazy, Gabe.

If it does.
And it just might!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:57 pm

Still working on Spey inspired patterns. Someday I’ll acquire the right hooks and some more colorful materials. For now this one is:
Red floss, dark hare’s ear dubbing, gold tinsel, pheasant rump hackle, guinea hackle, mallard flank wing. Turned out OK.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:32 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:57 pm
Still working on Spey inspired patterns. Someday I’ll acquire the right hooks and some more colorful materials. For now this one is:
Red floss, dark hare’s ear dubbing, gold tinsel, pheasant rump hackle, guinea hackle, mallard flank wing. Turned out OK.

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Very nicely tied, Gabriel.
A lovely salmon fly.
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Post by Gabriel » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:41 pm

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:35 pm

In the garage cleaning up some rabbit and pheasant skins. The rabbits might be a fail as I haven’t tanned them, just preserved them. Hoping I can tan later, but that might be optimistic.

I should have the opportunity for another rooster or two this year. Is anyone here interested in a skin if I get one? I don’t mind doing the skinning and drying, but I really don’t need 5 pheasant skins laying around. If someone here could use one, let me know and I’ll see what the season brings.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:35 pm

Working some patterns that will hopefully work this winter. Lead weight to get them down, fat bodies of pheasant tail, pheasant hackle, peacock, red thread.

We shall see.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:55 pm

If nobody else chimes in, and if you kill any more birds, I'll take a rump clump.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:19 pm

Stumbled across this photo of a stripping guide on a bamboo fly rod forum ...

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Bloodhound » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:01 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:19 pm
Stumbled across this photo of a stripping guide on a bamboo fly rod forum ...

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Blew me away.
That is some kind of beautiful!
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Post by Gabriel » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:07 pm

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:16 am

Back at the desk today working on classic style wets... well formed wings still elude me.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:26 am

Gabriel wrote:
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Back at the desk today working on classic style wets... well formed wings still elude me.

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That wing looks fine to me.
But if you’re working on matched pairs (hard to tell from the photo).

1) Worry not. After fishing even the best formed matched pair wet fly wings look like hell. (And fish better for it.)
2) if you are concerned about getting it right for the “look” do follow the classical instructions to a T. You need a perfectly matched pair of opposing wing primaries, with oppositely matched sections cut, one from each wing feather. Should the cut sections separate when tying in, the splits can be repaired by “remarrying” the split sections with careful stroking.

And if this sounds vaguely sexual (a Freudian analyst would have a field day with this), it is.
Classical salmon and wet fly tiers exhibit all of the manifestations of Victorian sexual repression, sublimated into fly tying.

I’m joking (I think).

Anyway, the classic wet fly and married wing salmon fly have long since become, for the most part, exhibition flies. Fishing flies are rarely tied that way these days.

But if you acquire the skill, you’ll be among a small group of tiers who still practice that particular art.

I haven’t tied a matched pair wing wet fly in at least 30 years! Maybe more like 40.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:22 pm

Ha. Thanks Steve, your input is ALWAYS appreciated and helpful. I was actually trying to do matched wings, I follow too many online groups that are dedicated to classical flies...

These are taken from secondary feathers from our hens. They look fantastic, but are really too soft for what I was trying to do. I do like the look of the finished product, and will fish it, but it wasn’t what I was trying for. Winter is the time for experiments!

I’m sure I’ve asked before, but do you have somewhere I can look for examples of the types of techniques you’re referring to that replace traditional feather wing wets and salmon flies? Is there particular terms I should search for?
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:26 pm

Mrs Gabriel gave me some synthetic long fiber flashy dubbing for Christmas. The lighting doesn’t really do it justice, but it looks like it will make excellent bodies for smallmouth patterns. Fun stuff.

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As an aside, I used wax on the thread for the first time to keep the dubbing together while working it. A little stick of beeswax from my neighbor worked great.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:47 pm

This video shows the basic technique pretty well:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9GKPEfxwIww

Having a matched pair of feathers, one from the right wing and one from the left wing of the bird is critical.
You’ll notice he talks about how easy it is to marry the feather to repair a split, then he struggles to do it. :D


This article differentiates 4 ways to tie quill wings:

https://donbastianwetflies.com/2011/03/ ... g-methods/


Hope that helps, Gabe.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:56 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:47 pm
This video shows the basic technique pretty well:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9GKPEfxwIww

Having a matched pair of feathers, one from the right wing and one from the left wing of the bird is critical.
You’ll notice he talks about how easy it is to marry the feather to repair a split, then he struggles to do it. :D


This article differentiates 4 ways to tie quill wings:

https://donbastianwetflies.com/2011/03/ ... g-methods/


Hope that helps, Gabe.
As for replacements, look for hair-wing salmon flies, rabbit strip salmon flies and maribou wing salmon flies.
Many examples of each exist.

I’ve had my best luck with bunny strip winged flies for the salmon and steelhead rivers I’ve fished. The advantages are many:

Incredibly simple and fast to tie
In spite of their ease of tying (maybe because of that) they look fantastic - hair tips always perfectly aligned, and nicely curved
Wonderful “life” in the water
Fish well drifted or swung
And very durable

This is all there is to a wing:

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You can elaborate as much or as little as you like with the body, hackle and head.
I’ll photograph a few and post ‘em later.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:16 pm

This is a feather wing, fully dressed Thunder & Lightning traditional salmon fly:

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This is a hair wing Thunder & Lightning variation salmon fly

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The fully dressed flies are largely for framing anymore.
The hair wing variation is still widely fished.

I quickly pulled these photos off the Internet.
I’ll get out to the office and rummage through my boxes in a bit.
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