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Post by Nature of a Man » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:38 am

I was wondering what others' idea of love is in the context of Christianity, or life in general.

It's hard to define for me, but I associate the definition of "love" with "breath". The word "love" itself harkens a deep and satisfying breath, and my understanding is that the notion of "breath" is a fairly sacred concept existent in world religions in general.

Whether one interprets breath as something orgasmic, or merely as a sigh of relief, is up to them. Regardless the notion of breath and love being interconnected, remains true to me.

My feeling, though, is that mass culture as a whole has corrupted the true definition of "love" in the name of commercialism and consumerism, to be somethng merely marketable as a product, rather than something that goes beyond being bought and sold.

I'd be interested in hearing the other thinkers' definition of love - I've heard of CS Lewis' attempts at defining 4 loves, but haven't as of yet read the book on it.

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Post by Jocose » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:41 am

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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Re: Love

Post by Nature of a Man » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:47 am

Jocose wrote:
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There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Thanks for the opinion. If you don't mind though, bro, could you elaborate more?

My personal opinion is that, in cultural in general, "love" is something that is overly markeded by mass media to the point that the meaning behind it is lost. (That's just my opinion, I could be wrong - to quote Dennis Miller). But I'd love to here others' opinions on the idea in question.

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Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:47 am
Jocose wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:41 am
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Thanks for the opinion. If you don't mind though, bro, could you elaborate more?

My personal opinion is that, in cultural in general, "love" is something that is overly markeded by mass media to the point that the meaning behind it is lost. (That's just my opinion, I could be wrong - to quote Dennis Miller). But I'd love to here others' opinions on the idea in question.
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Post by John-Boy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:37 am

This is what I think of first, "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."

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Re: Love

Post by tuttle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:42 am

Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:38 am
I've heard of CS Lewis' attempts at defining 4 loves, but haven't as of yet read the book on it.
My recommendation is to read the book.
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Re: Love

Post by hugodrax » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:00 am

I find love to be an undefinable term of art, sir. God, after all, is love and I don’t claim to understand Him. I think love is a lot like pornography in that I don’t know what it is but know it when I see it.
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Re: Love

Post by FredS » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:35 am

hugodrax wrote:
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God, after all, is love and I don’t claim to understand Him.
This.

I thought I knew what love was when I fell in love with Mrs FredS. Then the first little S was born and I came to know a whole new kind of love. Sacrificial love. Then twenty five years later I discovered a real love. I was away in silent and solitary retreat, praying in a gazebo by a frozen and windswept pond, wondering why one of my grown kids didn't feel comfortable coming to me with a problem. I thought there was nothing between us that would stop me helping her, but she still feared there was a small but insurmountable wall between us because of past disagreements. Then - the only time I think I've ever 'heard' God - He said "That's how I feel. I've forgiven you. There's nothing between us. I love you. Why do you try to hide from Me?"

Fred 2.0 was born that very second.
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Re: Love

Post by Goose55 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:06 pm

THere's filial love, that which we feel in friendships. There's of course, eros, and then agape love: to lay your life down for a friend. That is the highest love there is.
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Post by Del » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:28 pm

1 Cor 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Because these virtues are so vitally important to Christian life, Catholics have given them centuries of consideration. We need to teach our children what the words faith, hope, and love mean.

The catechism definition of LOVE is: "The theological virtue that desires the highest and best of all things for the beloved."

Perhaps we see this best in the love that a mother has for her child. A loving mother will sacrifice the last of her energy to care for her child. She will sacrifice her own life to protect her child. Likewise a loving father offers of his entire life of labor to provide for his family.

Christians know that the highest and best of all things is eternal life with Christ in heaven. And so our loving actions toward our family, loved ones, neighbors, and enemies are the things we do to urge them away from sin and turn them toward Christ.

Another version defining this love is "Obedience unto death." This is the love that Christ showed us. Also martyrs, soldiers.... and parents and spouses, who devote their whole lives to care for their beloved. Monks, nuns, and hermits too.
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Post by UncleBob » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm

I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
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Re: Love

Post by tuttle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:27 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
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Re: Love

Post by FredS » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
You're making a yuge assumption that Fred Phelps ever knew love. Of course I wasn't part of his congregation, but all I ever saw/heard him do was tell about all the things "God hate's".
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Post by UncleBob » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:40 pm

FredS wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
You're making a yuge assumption that Fred Phelps ever knew love. Of course I wasn't part of his congregation, but all I ever saw/heard him do was tell about all the things "God hate's".
I don't know if he loved anyone or if he knew love but I just betcha he had a definition of love--and one that justified his beliefs and actions. The reason I mention this is that I just put 2 and 2 together where I had heard Noam's rhetoric.
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Re: Love

Post by FredS » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:54 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:40 pm
FredS wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
You're making a yuge assumption that Fred Phelps ever knew love. Of course I wasn't part of his congregation, but all I ever saw/heard him do was tell about all the things "God hate's".
I don't know if he loved anyone or if he knew love but I just betcha he had a definition of love--and one that justified his beliefs and actions. The reason I mention this is that I just put 2 and 2 together where I had heard Noam's rhetoric.
It is a similar worldview. Even in his OP about love, NoaM ended with the conclusion that we've corrupted it.
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Post by durangopipe » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:56 pm

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
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Post by Del » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:07 pm

tuttle wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:27 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
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I am not even curious. Why ask a wrong-headed guy what he thinks about anything?
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Re: Love

Post by Nature of a Man » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:10 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
I'd venture that if he had found genuine repentance for his sins (maybe some type of psychological help assuming he had been a victim of child abuse), rather than merely lashing out at others for the sinful lifestyle he was allegedly part of himself - or who he perhaps "blamed" for introducing him into it, then he would have been a lot better off in that regard. Rather than making a career of slandering people and somehow tying in their deaths with "God's punishment for homosexuality" when it wasn't true.
FredS wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:54 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:40 pm
FredS wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm
I wonder how Fred Phelps would define "love".
You're making a yuge assumption that Fred Phelps ever knew love. Of course I wasn't part of his congregation, but all I ever saw/heard him do was tell about all the things "God hate's".
I don't know if he loved anyone or if he knew love but I just betcha he had a definition of love--and one that justified his beliefs and actions. The reason I mention this is that I just put 2 and 2 together where I had heard Noam's rhetoric.
It is a similar worldview. Even in his OP about love, NoaM ended with the conclusion that we've corrupted it.
Well yes, a lot of what you've conflated with "love" or "mercy" is, in my perspective, really just pity, in my opinion.
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Re: Love

Post by durangopipe » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:26 pm

Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:10 pm
Well yes, a lot of what you've conflated with "love" or "mercy" is, in my perspective, really just pity, in my opinion.
Who are you referring to as “you've,” Noam?
It isn’t clear which poster(s) you’re referring to.
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Re: Love

Post by Nature of a Man » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:37 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:26 pm
Nature of a Man wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:10 pm
Well yes, a lot of what you've conflated with "love" or "mercy" is, in my perspective, really just pity, in my opinion.
Who are you referring to as “you've,” Noam?
It isn’t clear which poster(s) you’re referring to.
Sorry, it was UncleBob and FredS in specific.

My opinion is that they conflate people with a legitimate medical condition such as intersex disorder, with people who are mentally ill and have no basis for claiming to have been "born in the wrong body", or who simply want to pursue sodomy as a lifestyle.

Even though I try to make an effort at pointing out the distinction, and not lump people born with something like intersex disorder into the same camp as "sodomy". (e.x. A transvestite prostitute addicted to drugs isn't the same as a person born with intersex disorder).

What they tend do do, however, is simply lump these different things together under the generic label of "LGBT people", when they're not the same thing at all.

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