Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

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Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:15 pm

I am wondering if anyone has found a good way to fill tooth impressions on Vulcanite stems. I hesitate to get this product because I have no idea how it will adhere. Also, even though it says it is sandable, if it is much harder than Vulcanite, the repair won't be even.

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by GaryInVA » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm

Goose, check out https://rebornpipes.com/.

They use black superglue.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:48 pm

GaryInVA wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Goose, check out https://rebornpipes.com/.

They use black superglue.
Thanks! YOu steered me in the right direction. Reviews of this include those who have repaired pipe stems. Premium Rubber Toughened CA - Black Super Glue. Vulcanite is hardened rubber so this looks like it might be the ticket. I took the leap and purchased this on Amazon....

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:58 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:48 pm
GaryInVA wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Goose, check out https://rebornpipes.com/.

They use black superglue.
Thanks! You steered me in the right direction. Reviews of this product include those who have successfully repaired pipe stems. "Premium Rubber Toughened CA - Black Super Glue." Vulcanite is hardened rubber so this looks like it might be the ticket. I took the leap and purchased this on Amazon....

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If this is successful I will report back to share how it went with before and after pictures.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by coco » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:50 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:58 pm
Goose55 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:48 pm
GaryInVA wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Goose, check out https://rebornpipes.com/.

They use black superglue.
Thanks! You steered me in the right direction. Reviews of this product include those who have successfully repaired pipe stems. "Premium Rubber Toughened CA - Black Super Glue." Vulcanite is hardened rubber so this looks like it might be the ticket. I took the leap and purchased this on Amazon....

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If this is successful I will report back to share how it went with before and after pictures.
Looking forward to seeing your results.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by hugodrax » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:32 pm

coco wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:50 pm
Goose55 wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:58 pm
Goose55 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:48 pm
GaryInVA wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Goose, check out https://rebornpipes.com/.

They use black superglue.
Thanks! You steered me in the right direction. Reviews of this product include those who have successfully repaired pipe stems. "Premium Rubber Toughened CA - Black Super Glue." Vulcanite is hardened rubber so this looks like it might be the ticket. I took the leap and purchased this on Amazon....

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If this is successful I will report back to share how it went with before and after pictures.
Looking forward to seeing your results.
He’s gonna patch stems and not tell anybody.

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by SlowToke » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:11 pm

I have used black dyed CA glue to fix holes and chips in stems. You may find a slight difference in the color of the original stem and the repair; especially if the vulcanite stem oxidizes. As far as integrity, CA glue works.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:28 pm

OK, here you can see the Vulcanite stem tooth impression after I abbraided it with a tiny steel pick.....

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I applied less than a drop of Starbond Black so that it was a little above the surface. Minutes later, after the vehicle had evaporated out of it, that level dropped and I had to apply more. I then let it dry and cure for a few hours. Here is the patch ready for sanding....

Notice the white film encircling the patch. This is due to my not first using acetone to thoroughly clean the cavity. But that can be remedied.

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The white residue was neutralized by a bit of acetone on a small wad of paper towel. Here is the restoration complete! I can not tell where the patch was made. First use of Starbond a 100% success!! ....

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Dug » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:11 am

Wow! That looks great. Would you suggest using that material/approach for more subtle tooth indentations that don't actually break the surface of the vulcanite? I have a couple vintage vulcanite stems that have gradual-but-significant divots that heating didn't remove. Would be interested in your sense of whether a Starbond repair becomes more identifiable/visible over time. Thanks!

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by SlowToke » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:34 am

A Dug sighting! Yay!

I would think as long as you rough up the surface a bit before applying the Starbond and you keep your stems buffed, you probably wouldn't see a difference. The Starbond will not oxidize the same as vulcanite though. Maybe Goose can give us an update on how his stem is holding up.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:44 am

SlowToke wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:34 am
A Dug sighting! Yay!

I would think as long as you rough up the surface a bit before applying the Starbond and you keep your stems buffed, you probably wouldn't see a difference. The Starbond will not oxidize the same as vulcanite though. Maybe Goose can give us an update on how his stem is holding up.
The pipe & stem in the pictures above that I repaired sold, so I no longer have it. As for Dug's Q about using Starbond on smaller imperfections; chatter, etc, I don't know how it would hold up. I only use Starbond on a deep tooth mark that can not be sanded and buffed out.

Stuff keeps for a long time in the refrigerator. Shake it well before using, and apply many thin coats. A heavy blob will take forever to dry, and the stuff shrinks as it dries.

Another thing with the product is that the surface must be thoroughly cleaned first with acetone or else a white corona will appear.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Dug » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:54 am

Many thanks for the replies! Recently started dipping my toes into the pipe refurb ocean, and this was the latest aspect I'm trying to learn.

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Goose55 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:11 am

Dug wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:54 am
Many thanks for the replies! Recently started dipping my toes into the pipe refurb ocean, and this was the latest aspect I'm trying to learn.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.
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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by wosbald » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:11 am

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Dug » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:43 pm

Hey there, Wos and Wayne! I was asking the interwebs about that approach to stem repair. The Google pointed to this CPS thread and I thought, "Hey, I remember that place!"

Hope everyone is staying healthy and (relatively) sane!

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by hugodrax » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:53 pm

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Re: Dual Component Black Epoxy For Vulcanite Stem Repair?

Post by Del » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:07 pm

Dug wrote:
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Many thanks for the replies! Recently started dipping my toes into the pipe refurb ocean, and this was the latest aspect I'm trying to learn.
Let us know whether the cyanoacrylate repair tastes great, or if it is less filling.
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